Isabella Chalmers MMFFM ahnentafel 57.

[Olde Crone]

The submitted birth for Isabella is a bit of a worry, as I went to Grange via hugh Wallis and there are other children of William Elder and Isabel Morrison baptised around that time (extracted) but not an Isabella.

I will see if I can work out which is her death cert. I didn't have much luck last time but of course I was looking for other names Chalmers, not Elder.....

OC

[Merry]

Originally Posted by Mary from Italy

I just had a quick look at SP, and I'm getting 2 hits for Chalmers-Elder marriages between 1820 and 1830. However, the Chalmers isn't Is* or Walter.

Groom's Name: Andrew Elder
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Catharine Chalmers
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 25 Jun 1827
Marriage Place: Saint Cuthberts,Edinburgh,Midlothian,Scotland
Groom's Father's Name:
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: David Chalmers
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M11989-6
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
Source Film Number: 1066764
Reference Number:
Collection: Scotland Marriages, 1561 -1910



There are two entries for the above, 25th June and 5th July same year. Don't know if both would be on SP as well? Couldn't see any more in that ten year period.

[Olde Crone]

Mary

I haven't downloaded the death you found because the age is well out (69, should be more like 80) and Dumfries was a funny place for her to die!

Merry

Thankyou for that, again a funny area but I shall investigate!

OC

[Mary from Italy]

There's an Is* Simpson, other names Elder, b. 1816, who died in Grange in 1899; however, that doesn't fit the information on Alexander's death certificate. Might be worth checking it out to see if you can eliminate this one; if it's the Isabel/la I found on the censuses, she was a crofter at Balnamoon Hill, and living with her son James Simpson in 1891.

[Olde Crone]

Mary

That sounds quite promising, better than a 69 year old dying in Dumfries.

As it was Alexander's daughter (?) who reported his death and then changed her mind about his parents' names, then she wouldn't really know if his mother was alive or not, so I think I'm going for the one you've found, thankyou!

OC

[Olde Crone]

Oooh, a bit unexpected....

Isabella Simpson 83, widow of John Simpson a crofter, May 17th 1899, 8.30 pm at Balnamoonhill, Grange, of heart disease, several years, bronchitis 10 days, certified, son James present at death.

Parents John Elder and Isabella SKINNER.

It's looking more and more likely that Alexander just THOUGHT his mother's name was Chalmers, because Walter's was.

OC

[Mary from Italy]

Ooh, interesting. So that's definitely the Isabella I found in the censuses. Presumably she and Alexander didn't keep in touch, otherwise his wife would have known she was still alive.

I wonder how on earth Walter fits in, though? Maybe Alex was his wife's nephew?

[Olde Crone]

Oh ******! just lost a long post!

I found this

John Elder to Margt CUIE, 24 June 1773, Grange.

CUIE has to be COWIE, surely, so Isabella Elder was related to Elizabeth Cowie, wife of Walter Chalmers.

Looks as if Alex had no contact with his mother. How sad.

OC

[Mary from Italy]

Ah, that looks good.

I was just looking for Isabella's birth; there's an Isobel Elder born in Grange in 1812, mother Isobel. However, the names Skinner and John aren't coming up for that one.

[Mary from Italy]

The IGI has the following baptisms for children of John Elder and Margaret Cowie in Grange (all submitted entries):

Ann 1774, John 1776, Isabel 1778, William 1782, and Elspet 1784.

According to the 1851 census, Elizabeth Chalmers (née Cowie) was born in Aberdeen c1828.