James Parkin 1813 - Page 4 - Genealogists' Forum

Merry · #31 13-02-17, 14:09

My feeling is that Elizabeth Parkin (dau of James and Mary) is the mother of Charles aged 3 months in 1841. This could be established by getting his birth cert. However, we can't say that makes her the mother of Edwin as well.

How many sisters did Elizabeth have? Was there just Rebecca? As we know, Edwin was a boarder in Rebecca's home in 1861 but we can't say because Thomas Hall didn't say 'step-son' that Edwin wasn't Rebecca's child.

Merry · #32 13-02-17, 14:53

Have you found Edwin in 1871?.... and what happened to him (and his wife) after that?

CuriousKat · #33 13-02-17, 15:02

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Originally Posted by Merry

My feeling is that Elizabeth Parkin (dau of James and Mary) is the mother of Charles aged 3 months in 1841. This could be established by getting his birth cert. However, we can't say that makes her the mother of Edwin as well.

How many sisters did Elizabeth have? Was there just Rebecca? As we know, Edwin was a boarder in Rebecca's home in 1861 but we can't say because Thomas Hall didn't say 'step-son' that Edwin wasn't Rebecca's child.

Rebecca is here in 1901 & with Charles whom lists her as his aunt, which would tie in with the theory that Elizabeth is the mother,

CuriousKat · #34 13-02-17, 15:11

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Originally Posted by Merry

Have you found Edwin in 1871?.... and what happened to him (and his wife) after that?

No idea for sure, rumour is he left Mary Ellen around the time of Alfred's birth 1866 ish he was involved with a chap called ?? Irwin & his business went bankrupt, family law is that Edwin was responsible & fled to America.

kiterunner · #35 13-02-17, 15:23

This could be a red herring, but the West Yorkshire Bastardy Records on ancestry have an entry for an Elizabeth Perkin of Leeds, receiving money in 1841:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/25...cklabel=Return
It looks as though a John Whitehead is the father of the child.

Can't remember whether this one has been mentioned, but there is the baptism of a John Henry, son of Elizabeth Parkin of Woodhouse, spinster, born 1 May 1837 and baptised 4 Jun 1837 at Leeds St Peter:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/22...nSearchResults

Then a Frances, daughter of Elizabeth Parkin of Silver Street, spinster, is born 23 Oct 1838 and baptised 11 Nov 1838, also at Leeds St Peter:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/22...nSearchResults

Merry · #36 13-02-17, 15:28

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Originally Posted by CuriousKat

Rebecca is here in 1901 & with Charles whom lists her as his aunt, which would tie in with the theory that Elizabeth is the mother,

Oh, that's good! Just typical he isn't the one you need the most!!

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Originally Posted by CuriousKat

No idea for sure, rumour is he left Mary Ellen around the time of Alfred's birth 1866 ish he was involved with a chap called ?? Irwin & his business went bankrupt, family law is that Edwin was responsible & fled to America.

Interesting!

CuriousKat · #37 13-02-17, 15:34

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Originally Posted by kiterunner

This could be a red herring, but the West Yorkshire Bastardy Records on ancestry have an entry for an Elizabeth Perkin of Leeds, receiving money in 1841:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/25...cklabel=Return
It looks as though a John Whitehead is the father of the child.

Can't remember whether this one has been mentioned, but there is the baptism of a John Henry, son of Elizabeth Parkin of Woodhouse, spinster, born 1 May 1837 and baptised 4 Jun 1837 at Leeds St Peter:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/22...nSearchResults

Then a Frances, daughter of Elizabeth Parkin of Silver Street, spinster, is born 23 Oct 1838 and baptised 11 Nov 1838, also at Leeds St Peter:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/22...nSearchResults

These are really interesting, it does not look like Elizabeth ever married. I have not found her after 1841 if she is the mother she seems a bit free & easy!

kiterunner · #38 13-02-17, 15:36

We don't know for sure whether those are all the same Elizabeth, though.

CuriousKat · #39 13-02-17, 15:39

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Originally Posted by kiterunner

We don't know for sure whether those are all the same Elizabeth, though.

Why is nothing ever so easy!

CuriousKat · #40 13-02-17, 17:28

Could you possibly see if you could find some details about James Lucas Parkin (son of Edwin) he was incarcerated around the time of the 1881 census , but i can't find any details.
I found this record on FMP
James Parkin — 1882 — HO27 Home Office: Criminal Registers, England And Wales, 1805-1892 but it gives no information (so i've been told as i don't have a subscription) i've tried TNA website but being thick i couldn't see anything! My aunt mentioned Preston jail but i couldn't seem to find it on the census. There are some references on ancestry but i can't 100% tie them to him.
Seems like the apple didn't fall very far from the tree!