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Old 09-02-21, 16:14
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I found Ann in Wirral Q2 1952 and now I've found John in Wiral Q1 1952.
Maybe they were both in poor health and staying with Betsy and died within a couple of months of each other?
I will wait until I get the death certificate for Ann and if it's the right person I will order John's.
I've received Ann's death certificate which confirms that she died at the home of her daughter Betsy in West Kirby, Wirral, 04 Apr 1952, aged 77 which ties in with the birth I have of 27 Oct 1874.
It states that she was the widow of John Allcock which would tie in with the possible death of him in Wirral Q1 so I've ordered that certificate.

I'm still waiting for the marriage certificate in 1939.
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Glad to hear you managed to get the right death cert.
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Old 12-02-21, 15:44
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Received marriage certificate:

Married by License at Settle Register Office, 16 Sep 1939.
John Allcock 76, Bachelor, Formerly a Limestone Quarryman. Father Samuel Allcock (Limestone Quarryman deceased).
Ann Pickford 64, Spinster. Father Henry Pickford (Limestone Quarryman deceased).
Both resident at Main Street, Langcliffe at time of wedding.

This confirms research regarding their parents (thanks to all who helped/guided me). It confirms that neither were previously married as long as they were telling the truth! Ann did give her name as Allcock on daughter Betsy's birth certificate in 1913.

I don't think there is any way I can ever find anything about them between being in separate households in the same hamlet in 1901 census and living together in Settle in 1911 census (when/why they moved, etc.).
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We can narrow down the date of John's move a bit by looking at the West Yorkshire Electoral Registers on Ancestry.

1909: John Allcock listed at Langcliffe, Settle
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...e&pId=42700075

Not listed there in 1908.

I suppose if you work on their family trees, following up what happened to their parents and their siblings etc, you might find another family member who moved to Langcliffe too, or either John or Ann named as a witness on a marriage cert, informant on a death cert, or some such, which might give you a clue. Also look at the newspapers on the British Newspaper Archive / Findmypast to see if there is anything about them on there.
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Unfortunately I don't have Ancestry so I can't view that link.
I have been searching the Electoral Registers on FMP but they are pretty sparse for West Yorkshire and haven't come up with anything.

Since identifying John and Ann's parents (and grandparents) I have been delving into their records but, as of yet, have not come up with any of them making the move to the Settle area.
It would make sense if a relative (or even a friend) was working in the quarries up there and he joined them.
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This is a transcription of the Ancestry entry from that link:

1909.
Skipton Division of the Northern Part of the West Riding of Yorkshire - Settle Polling District.
Settle Electoral Division.
Township of Langcliffe.
OCCUPATION ELECTORS (other han Lodgers).
Division One - Persons entitled to vote as Parliamentary Electors, County Electors, and Parochial Electors.
Number: KP218
Name: Allcock John
Place of Abode: Langcliffe, Settle
Nature of qualification: Dwelling House (successive)
Description of Qualifying Property: Cottage, New street; Cottage, Main road.
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Nature of qualification: Dwelling House (successive)
Description of Qualifying Property: Cottage, New street; Cottage, Main road.
Thank you so much kiterunner

Could you please explain the meaning of succesive and the reason why two properties are listed as qualifying?
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I believe it meant he moved from one to the other.

There is some info on here:

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/inde...topic=725441.0
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I've received Ann's death certificate which confirms that she died at the home of her daughter Betsy in West Kirby, Wirral, 04 Apr 1952, aged 77 which ties in with the birth I have of 27 Oct 1874.
It states that she was the widow of John Allcock which would tie in with the possible death of him in Wirral Q1 so I've ordered that certificate.
Received John's death certificate which confirms that he too died at the home of his daughter Betsy, 05 Jan 1952, just three months before his wife Ann died there. They must have both gone to live with their daughter in old age/poor health.

I now have the daunting task of where the name Marie came from (Betsy Marie) as she was registered at birth as only Betsy. Can't find Baptism Records for Settle on FMP (in case they added it at Baptism) and have no idea how I could find out if it was added at Confirmation in later life.
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Was she a Catholic? The Catholic baptisms would be separate from the C of E ones and many of them are not online.

I have plenty of people in my tree who seem to have acquired middle names later in life which they didn't have when they were children. I wouldn't worry too much about it.
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