George Spence MMF - Genealogists' Forum

Janet · #1 21-11-12, 08:10

Name - George Spence

Date and place of birth - before 25 Nov 1829, Knaresborough, Yorkshire

Names of parents - William Spence (from two marriage cert.'s) and possibly Ann Scaife

Date and place of baptism - 25 Nov 1829, Knaresborough (IGI extracted record)

Details of each of his or her marriages -

1 Apr 1850 at York RO to Jane Gardner/Gardener b. 1831 Coxwold, Yorks., d. Apr. 1871 Bramley, Yorks.
George is age 20, Bachelor, Profession Groom, Residence South Prospect Street, the Mount, York.
Father William Spence, Labourer.
Jane is age 19, Spinster, Profession Servant, Residence Saint Saviourgate, York.
Her father Thomas Gardner, Labourer.
George makes his mark, Jane signs.
Witnesses Charlotte Burley and Andrew Burley. Both sign.

3 Apr 1872 at Parish Church, Leeds, by Banns to Elizabeth Crampton late Wilson (my ggrandmother) b. 13 Jun 1838 Meanwood, Yorks., d. Sep Qtr 1899 Ecclesall Bierlow, Yorks.
George is age 42, Widower, Profession Coachman, Residence Headingley.
Father William Spence, Waggoner.
Elizabeth is age 34, Widow, Profession [blank], Residence Headingley.
Her father David Crampton, Mason.
This time George signs and Elizabeth signs.
Witnesses James Moore and Jane Moore. Both sign.

Occupation(s) -
1850 - (marriage) Groom
1851 - Groom
1861 - Coachman
1871 - Labourer
1872 - (marriage) Coachman
1881 - Coachman (Unemployed)
1891 - General Labourer
1894 - (daughter Sally's marriage) Laundryman
1900 - (death) Coachman (Domestic)

Military service - not found

Addresses where they lived -
1850 - (marriage) South Prospect Street, the Mount, York
1851 - 36 Dringhouses Manor Cottages
1861 - Elmet Hall, Roundhay, Leeds, home of Mayor James Kitson
1871 - 6 Stanley St., Wortley, Holbeck, Leeds
1872 - (marriage) Headingley, Leeds, Yorks.
1881 - 8 Chapel Square, Headingley, Leeds
1891 - 83 High Malsis, Sutton-in-Craven, Keighley RD
1900 - (death) 5 Chapel Street, Headingley, Leeds, home of daughter Sarah Jane ("Sally"/"Sallie") Saunders nee Spence

Date, place and cause of death - 13 Feb 1900, 5 Chapel Street, Headingley, Leeds, cancer of rectum
J.H. Saunders, Son in Law, present at death

Date and place of burial / cremation - From burial receipt held by family:
the Leeds general cemetery morning service 5s, interment 15s total £1/- paid by JH Saunders grave no 660

Details of will / administration of their estate - unlikely

Memorial inscription - not found

Link to long research thread on George Spence:
http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/f...ad.php?t=14134

Janet · #2 25-11-14, 04:01

Forever indebted to my GF friends for the immense help on my long research thread in the link above, which I highly recommend to anyone with any serious curiosity about my George Spence!

Janet · #3 19-04-16, 00:44

I've added the specifics for burial provided by the burial receipt in the possession of my family in England.

ElizabethHerts · #4 19-04-16, 06:48

Janet, the baptism, complete with image, is viewable on FMP. Do you have access to it?

http://search.findmypast.co.uk/recor...ap%2f207481303

First name(s) George
Last name Spence
Baptism year 1829
Baptism date 25 Nov 1829
Baptism place Knaresborough
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) William
Mother's first name(s) Ann
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country England
Archive North Yorkshire County Record Office
Archive reference 1/9
Page 110
Record set Yorkshire Baptisms

William Spence was a Labourer.

ElizabethHerts · #5 19-04-16, 07:14

In 1841 there is a George Spence working as a Male Servant for a farmer, James Waddington, in the Knaresborough district:

http://search.findmypast.co.uk/recor...1%2f0009556983

This would fit in with George becoming a groom. His age is given as 15, but the ages of the servants are all multiples of 5!

Edit: I don't think this is him now.
See 1841 Census below.

ElizabethHerts · #6 19-04-16, 07:31

There are a William and Ann Spence in Knaresborough producing children in the 1820s. William is a butcher and a publican:

Maria bapt. 6 May 1821 William a publican
William bapt. 19 February 1826 William a Butcher
Robert bapt. 4 April 1830 William a Butcher
Ann bapt. 13 July 1835 Butcher

They appear on the 1841 Census:
http://search.findmypast.co.uk/recor...1%2f0009550494
with children Maria 20, William 15, Robert 11, Ann 6 and Jane 11 months.
William and Ann both 40. He a butcher.

I'm mentioning them for elimination purposes because I don't think they are your family.

The only other baptism of interest I have found is this:

William bapt. 11 May 1831
This time the father William is a labourer. Also the birth is just 2 years after George's baptism.
They are given as living at Brereton.
For George's entry they are living at "Brearton", so it looks like the same William and Ann.

http://search.findmypast.co.uk/recor...ap%2f207481660

First name(s) William
Last name Spence
Baptism year 1831
Baptism date 11 May 1831
Baptism place Knaresborough
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) William
Mother's first name(s) Ann
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country England
Archive North Yorkshire County Record Office
Archive reference 1/9
Page 155
Record set Yorkshire Baptisms

ElizabethHerts · #7 19-04-16, 07:34

Genuki gives the spelling as Brearton. It is 4 miles north of Knaresborough.

Janet · #8 20-04-16, 03:52

I trust you already saw my email response earlier today, Elizabeth. Thank you so much for all your efforts. It's going on midnight now and I'm going cross-eyed!There's an awful lot of material here to work through. I knew that a lot had appeared online since the last time I worked on George Spence, but I didn't realize just how much. I'll post what I've looked at so far. I'm trying to move slowly and carefully, incorporating new finds into my tree as I go.

The numbers refer to your post numbers.

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#4

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Originally Posted by ElizabethHerts

Janet, the baptism, complete with image, is viewable on FMP.

Yes, I have FMP currently and had not noticed that this old post refers only to IGI. Thanks, Elizabeth!

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#5

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElizabethHerts

In 1841 there is a George Spence working as a Male Servant for a farmer, James Waddington, in the Knaresborough district:

http://search.findmypast.co.uk/recor...1%2f0009556983

This would fit in with George becoming a groom. His age is given as 15, but the ages of the servants are all multiples of 5!

Edit: I don't think this is him now.
See 1841 Census below.

That's very interesting, Elizabeth. I agree that it's definitely him in York on the 1841 in your post #12. But this makes me wonder if he could have been enumerated twice. It wouldn't be the last time he lied about his age, and anyway they would have rounded his age on the 1841 so maybe not even a lie. I did have another child counted twice, once with her mother and stepfather, and again with her maternal grandparents a couple blocks down the road.

Have not tried to trace this one forward or back, so for now it will remain an intriguing speculation.

I did notice on one of the censuses that there was a Waddington who was a close neighbor of my Spences. Could be a total red herring.

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#6

There are so many Spences! I agree with you that the William and Ann Spence the butcher/publican are not mine.

That other William baptized 11 May 1831 does look like a possible sibling to my George.

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#8

I had not seen this marriage of William Spence and Ann Scaife, so thank you very much for that, Elizabeth. Yes, the Spence family were in Newton upon Ouse.

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