Scottish relatives

[Merry]

In Jan 2015 you said:

I have got ellen callen's child's record from Glasgow

and also:

ellen callen and William grimshaws sons James and William were born in Glasgow in 1854 and 1856 . I think they may have had another child in Scotland . They seem to move back to live in skelmersdale as they appear on the 1861 census .

The 1861 census shows they had at least three children born in Scotland, all between 1851 and 1861:

Warrington Rd, Wigan, Lancashire
William Grimshaw Head Mar 32 Coal Miner Lancashire Wigan
Ellen Do Wife Mar 40 Do Do
Margaret Do Daur U 15 Cotton Factory Worker Do Do
William Do Son 6 Scholar Scotland
James Do Son 4 Scholar Do
Ellen Do Daur 2 Do
Sicily Do Daur 2 mo Do Ince.

You don't say (at least I can't find you saying!) which child you have the Scottish birth record for, but presumably it's one of these two?

GRIMSHAW JAMES M 1856 644/7 1048 Milton (ScotlandsPeople)

and from Family Search:

Name James Grimshaw
Gender Male
Birth Date 29 Sep 1856
Birthplace MILTON,GLASGOW,LANARK,SCOTLAND
Father's Name William Grimshaw
Mother's Name Ellen Callen

GRIMSHAW HELEN F 1858 671/ 69 Torphichen (ScotlandsPeople)

Family Search:

Name Helen Grimshaw
Gender Female
Birth Date 11 Dec 1858
Birthplace TORPHICHEN,WEST LOTHIAN,SCOTLAND
Father's Name William Grimshaw
Mother's Name Helen Cullen

William b 1854/5 may have been born before civil registration started in Scotland.

I don't know if there are addresses on the SP records, but if there are, have you looked at those addresses on the Scottish 1851 and 1861 censuses or the 1855 valuation roll to see if you can get any clues from those?

Note that Torphichen is closer to Edinburgh than Glasgow.

I see there are Grimshaws and Callans in Scotland, but born in England, on the Scottish 1861 census, so you could see if they come from the same part of the world as your family.

[Qwackers]

Thanks merry ,will check those mentioned

[Qwackers]

Hi , I've had a look at the grimshaws and Callen s in Scotland and there's a couple that have always stood out and that is Jonathan Grimshaw and Helen Cree . I've seen these quite a long time ago and was wandering if in some way they are a relation? Even a cousin or other . I can only get on family search , and online parish clerks so I can't explore these much more . Thanks

[Merry]

Can you give some dates and what records you have seen for them? EDIT Are they the couple who married in 1848 in Blantyre?

[Merry]

If you are referring to the married 1848 couple, on the Scottish 1871 census transcript on Ancestry Jonathan is recorded as having been born in Halifax, Yorkshire.

[Merry]

On the 1841 census Jonathan Grimshaw aged 21 is in Halifax:

Birk's Lane, Halifax

William Grimshaw 61 fustian cutter
Harriet Grimshaw 57
Jonathan Grimshaw 21 labourer
Martha Grimshaw 18 worsted spinner
Jane Grimshaw 15 ditto
Frances Grimshaw 12 ditto

All born in county except William!

1851 Census:

2 Hobb Houses, Halifax

William Grimshaw head m 71 Pauper b Manchester, Lancs
Harriet Grimshaw wife m 67 b Skircoat, Yorks
Jane Grimshaw dau unm 24 factory worker, worsted weaver b Halifax
Fanny Grimshaw dau unm 22 loom? setter, carpet works b Halifax
Ann Grimshaw granddaughter 9 b Halifax
Martha Grimshaw granddaughter 1m b Halifax

So, William was most likely from Manchester.

This may be his baptism:

William Grimshaw Baptism 30 Apr 1780 Manchester , St Mary, St Denys and St George, parents John and Mary

(the transcription says 25 April)

[Qwackers]

Hi ,I thought I had seen a census which shows them born in Scotland , I will look later am off out for a while thanks

[Merry]

Not sure who you mean by 'them', but on all the other censuses that include Jonathan Grimshaw his birthplace is 'England'. His wife Helen is recorded as born in Blantyre, Lanarkshire on all her census records and their children were born in various places in Lanarkshire.

[Qwackers]

Hi ,I'm sorry Merry , it was a shot in the dark with regards to Jonathan . I don't think now looking at where he was born. That he is a relative of ours . But thanks for your great work . X

[Qwackers]

Hi ,now I am going to try and follow the grimshaws children forward , James and Ellen Margeret and cicely . try and see if they lived and who they married and their children ,as I've never met anyone from that side of the family at all . My grandparents on my dads side were dead before I was born . So it would be good to find someone from the line of the grimshaws . Thanks