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Old 07-11-10, 21:53
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Ooo that looks interesting Kate!


John's marriage in Carlton, Yorkshire 1896

John Owen 26 Bachelor Miner 16 Albert Terrace Altofts Thomas Owen Miner
Fanny Owen 21 Spinster --- ??? Lane, Carlton Reuben Owen Miner

Witnesses at the wedding were S. Owen and W. Chilton



Thomas' marriage in Altofts 1896

Thomas Owen 23 Bachelor Miner Altofts Thomas Owen Miner
Sarah Overton 24 Spinster --- Altofts Edward Overton Miner

Sarah signed with an X.

Witnesses were Richard and Rachel Overton


Don't have Albert's marriage but he married a Sarah Elizabeth Owen.

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I think I am going to have to order that birth certificate now and possibly a couple of Sarah's brothers.

Will have a think about which one(s) to order.

What do you think?
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Old 07-11-10, 22:04
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Think it would be best to start with Albert.

There is one in OND 1879 and one in AMJ 1880 so can ring Wakefield RO up tomorrow and ask them to send the one from Altofts whose father is Thomas.
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Yes, if Thomas was Albert's father!
Maybe it would be safer to specify the mother has to be Emma?
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Anyway, glad to see that John and Thomas both say their father was Thomas Owen, a miner, on their marriage certs. But they don't say he was deceased...?

If anyone else is having a go at this, we still haven't found Thomas sr, Emma, Sarah and John on the 1871 census. Thomas was born about 1839-40 at Street Lane, Wellington, Shropshire. (And I'm also glad to see that Thomas's father John has the occupation Chartermaster on the 1871 census, which matches Thomas's marriage cert.)
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Yes Kate, he may not have been Thomas' son.

Something seems strange about this as I have never been able to find a death.

I will ring and order his cert tomorrow (haven't had time today) and will order Marjerie Wood Owen's birth cert as well.
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A couple of certs have arrived now.

Margerie Wood Owen birth, 23rd December 1890 at 39 Hercules Road Lambeth. No Father, Mother is Margaret Owen a Bookkeeper at a Hotel.
Birth registered by M Owen, Mother on 30th January 1891 (abode 39 Hercules Road).


John Owen birth, 21st February 1870 at Snedshill Shifnal, Staffordshire. Father Thomas Owen a Stone Miner and Mother Emma Owen formerly Edge. Birth registered by Emma Owen (X) Mother on 2nd March 1870.


Can't seem to find a Margaret Owen living in Lambeth on the 1891 census who might be the mother. I feel sure the Margerie Wood living with Emma in 1891 must be the one whose birth cert details are at the start of this post.
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Yes, I'm sure that must be her. I had a feeling her mother would be Margaret! We know Margaret was still alive (and still called Owen) after the 1891 census because she was a witness at Sarah's wedding, well, assuming it's the same Margaret, so she should be around somewhere. She might be going by the surname Wood on the census though?

I would say that John's birth certificate confirms you have the right family for Sarah.
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Oh, and the fact that Emma had a daughter called Margaret goes nicely with Emma's mother being Margaret, doesn't it?
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There is a Margaret Owen birth registered in Shiffnal Oct-Dec 1866 who is probably the one we're looking for, to give us some idea of what age she should be. (Thomas and Emma got married in 1865 so she fits in nicely between that and Sarah's birth in 1868, then John was born 1870). Also gives us someone else to look for in 1871!
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