Emma Edge help checking please

[Tom Tom]

Emma is my three times great grandmother who is the subject of this weeks challenge. However, rather than clog that up I thought it would be better to just check through things on here if that is OK with everyone.

Really just wanted some opinions on whether my logic is sound.

Thanks for looking.



Just trying to get things clear in my own head.

Things I know for definite:

William Henry Chilton married Sarah Owen 17th May 1891 in Altofts, Yorkshire.
Sarah's father is given as Thomas Owen a Miner.

Witnesses were John Owen and Margaret Owen.



Sarah died before the 1901 census but at the time of the 1891 census (just before their marriage) she is a servant in a house in Wakefield.

My Nana knew that Sarah had three Uncles, John, Thomas and Albert who all lived in Altofts as they were still around when she was born.

This is Sarah's three brothers with their Mother at the time of the 1891 census, living in Altofts: Her mother, Emma's birth date is c1838.
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...187&recoff=1+2

Emma is shown as a widow.

At the time of the 1881 census, Sarah is living with her Grandparents, John and Sarah Owen.
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...993&recoff=1+2

Emma is living in Altofts (born c1838) with her three sons. She is described as a widow.


I have been unable to find the family in 1871.

Sarah's birth certificate, gives her date of birth as 14th May 1868 daughter of Thomas Owen, a stone mason and Emma formerly Edge (who registered the birth with an X).

This is the marriage details, which link to the correct grandparent details from earlier:

1. 2nd Jan 1865 Thomas Owen and Emma Owen both of full age. Thomas a miner. Thomas' father is John Owen a charter master and Emma's is William Edge. Witnesses are William Edge (X) and Emma Buck (X).
Emma Edge signed with an X.


*Emma Owen died November 1895 aged 58 so born c1837.
(This leads me to think she was probably born between June and November 1837).



But, back to the main point, trying to check I have the right details for Emma Edge.
I know her Father is William Edge, a labourer and everything is pointing towards her birth date of c1837 - 1838.


This is the most likely looking 1861 census, her mother is Margaret a widow.
Emma is given as date of birth c1837.
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...948&recoff=1+2

The same family on 1851, again giving Emma as born c1837, is with parents Margaret and William, a labourer.

This family have some unusual names, including a Noah.

Which leads me to think this is the family in 1841:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?...c=&pid=9560427

Emma is given as four years old so born c1837.



I just wondered if people would mind checking it over and that the logic followed is sound.

Sorry for the rambling and hope you can make some sort of order out of it.

[kiterunner]

On the 1861 census, John and Sarah Owen have a son Henry age 14, an Ironstone Miner, and on the 1871 census there is a Henry Owen age 25, Ironstone Miner, married to Rachael, and they have a daughter Sarah age 4 born Shifnal. In 1881 Rachael is in Shifnal and her daughter Sarah age 14 born "P of Shifnal" is with her. This should mean that the Sarah who is with grandparents John and Sarah definitely isn't this Sarah, but it has been known for someone to be listed twice on the census, once at home and once where they're staying for the night.

[kiterunner]

Okay, and Emma's birthplace on that 1891 census looks like Salop Oakengates, so this looks like her in 1871 at Maesbury, Shropshire, except husband's occupation is wrong and they haven't got a son John with them, oh, and she's too young!:
Thomas Owen(s?) Head Mar 25 Miller Salop Maesbury
Emma Do Wife Mar 28 Do Okengates.

Hmm, have to look at this one tomorrow! It's tricky.

[kiterunner]

Originally Posted by Tom Tom

My Nana knew that Sarah had three Uncles, John, Thomas and Albert who all lived in Altofts as they were still around when she was born.

This is Sarah's three brothers with their Mother at the time of the 1891 census, living in Altofts:

Wait... are John, Thomas and Albert Sarah's uncles or her brothers?

[Tom Tom]

Hi Kate

John, Thomas and Albert are Sarah's brothers. (Emma's sons).

[kiterunner]

Thanks, Tom.

Do you know who Margery Wood is on that 1891 census entry? She is shown as Emma's Gd Daur age 3 months, born Lambeth London.

And do you know who Margaret Owen was? (the witness at Sarah's marriage)


Also Sarah's birthplace on the 1891 census is Shropshire Snensall which doesn't exist as far as I can see, and is probably supposed to be Shifnal, but could it be supposed to be Snedshill? Just thought I would mention it so I don't forget.

[Tom Tom]

No and no Kate.

Sarah's daughter was called Marjorie so there could be some family link. It is possible that Emma had another daughter (who married Mr Wood) but I have never been able to find anything.

I know about the 1891 census, but always presumed it was supposed to Shifnal because that is where Sarah's mum (Emma) was from.

This is all very confusing!

[kiterunner]

Have you got a marriage certificate for any of Sarah's brothers?

Edit - or any of their birth certificates?

[kiterunner]

And another question - do you know for sure that the birth certificate you have for Sarah is definitely your Sarah?

[kiterunner]

Oooooh, there is a birth on FreeBMD for a Margerie Wood Owen Jan-Mar 1891 Lambeth!