Two matching wives?

[Merry]

BK6 updated from this thread

You know how it seems quite common for a man to marry more than one wife with the same forename (hopefully not at the same time!). Well this chap I'm researching seems to have had two wives with exactly the same name! I am just trying to get my head round it in public, in case anyone can spot more info or any flaws in what I think I've found....

His name is Peregrine Hogg Purvis.....

1) I can't find a baptism. From his second marriage cert his father was John Purvis, a tailor. Probably b about 1805 at Bishopsgate London.

2) There is this marriage on the IGI:

PEREGRINE HOGG PURVIS Marriages:
Spouse: MARY GROUT
Marriage: 05 FEB 1832 Saint Luke Old Street, Finsbury, London, England
Messages: Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.

3) These two children:

Peregrine Grout Purvis bap 31st Oct 1834 St Mary Whitechapel
Mary Purvis bap 29th Jun 1836 St Mary Whitechapel

4) I can't find an 1841 census record

5) I can't find a burial for his wife Mary Grout/Purvis or for either of the children.

6) 24th Aug 1844 marriage of Peregrine Hogg Purvis, widower to (another) Mary Grout, spinster (father Wm Grout, harness maker), at St Mary Haggerston. Witnesses are Wm Grout (bride's father) and Jane Smith (bride's sister, who is married to my relative).

7) 1851 they are at Trafalgar Place East Haggerston, Shoreditch
Peregrine 45 b Middlesex Bishopsgate
Mary 43 b Buntingford, Herts
one child, this one:
Births Mar 1845
PURVIS Peregrine Shoreditch 2 374

8) 1861 they are at Highfield Row (?) Edmonton
Peregrine 55 b London City
Mary 53 b Buntingford

9) 1871 The Cedars, Winchmore Hill
Peregrine 65 b London City
Mary 63 b Herts
Peregrine 26 b Shoreditch

10) Deaths Sep 1880
Purvis Peregrine Hogg 74 Edmonton 3a 154

His will is proved soon after. The exors are his son, Peregrine, and his brother-in-law, George Smith, who is my relative. I'm fairly sure the Grouts will turn out to be my relatives too, just that I've not worked out quite how yet!

I really need to find the 1841 census to see if Mrs P the 1st was alive or dead at that point, to have any chance of working out who she was!

[Joan of Archives]

I assume you've tried the variation Purves?

[Kit]

She may be a Mary 2 may be a cousin of Mary 1.

I have something similar. OH's 2g aunt married, had kids and died early. I kept tracing her husband trying to follow what happened to the kids. On the next census he is married again. A bit more research shows he married her cousin.

I figure a relative of the first wife is likely to look after the kids properly, esp when the second wife doesn't have kids of her own.

[Gert in Oz]

I was going to say the same as Toni, cousins or 2nd cousins, depending on the ages, i have a similar situation,only with sisters.

[Jenoco]

As Toni says, perhaps the two Marys were cousins. You've probably already found Mary 2 in 1841, but in case not, she's at home in Buntingford with her father and siblings:
HO107 Piece 443 Folio 12/33 Page 14 (sorry don't have Ancestry).

[marquette]

I looked for the first marriage in the LMA records on ancestry. Because i don't have a sub, I cannot look at the details, but Peregrine is transcribed as PURRIS. Just, checked again - the 1844 marriage seems to have him as Peregrine Hogg Purvis..


So if you search for Mary Grout marrying Peregrine Purris, you get might details of her father.


This is the page you need to start from

http://search.ancestry.com.au/search/db.aspx?dbid=1623

Di

[Merry]

Originally Posted by Joan of Archives

I assume you've tried the variation Purves?

Erm, Yes!!

Originally Posted by Kit

She may be a Mary 2 may be a cousin of Mary 1.

That was my assumption, though I do haveone family on my tree with two adult brothers with the same first names (they loved this unusual situation!!). I'm still thinking cousins/aunt/niece for the Grouts though!

Originally Posted by Jenoco

You've probably already found Mary 2 in 1841, but in case not, she's at home in Buntingford with her father and siblings:
HO107 Piece 443 Folio 12/33 Page 14 (sorry don't have Ancestry).

Thanks Jenny, yes I did, but forgot to say so above, sorry!

Originally Posted by Gert in Oz

i have a similar situation,only with sisters.

Me too, but not with the same first names yet!

Originally Posted by marquette

So if you search for Mary Grout marrying Peregrine Purris, you get might details of her father.

This is the page you need to start from

http://search.ancestry.com.au/search/db.aspx?dbid=1623

Di, stop leading me astray with the New Search! lol thanks for the surname mis-transcription. I could have sworn I searched on her name only and the year - obviously not

Marriage was 5th Feb 1832 at St Luke Finsbury. Mary Grout the First was a spinster and Peregrine a bachelor. The witnesses were Rebecca Sophia Purvis and a Grout whose first name I can't read! lol It might even say Mrs Grout, but I doubt it!

[Merry]

It would seem Rebecca Sophia Purvis is Peregrine Hogg Purvis's sister as there is a bap in St Bot Bishopsgate in 1809 for a child of that name, dau of John and Elizabeth.

Why is it I'm always looking for Smiths and Marys and it's always the Peregrines and Rebecca Sophias who are only vaguely connected? lolol

Thought I would throw this in for your amusement Merry. Clarence Smith married Emily Purvis in Tenterfield. Their children's surname then became Purvis-Smith!!

[Merry]

*glares at Julie*