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05-04-11, 21:11
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He must have managed to reinvent himself pretty successfully, because another daughter, Fanny, married someone who's listed in the "Plantagenet Roll of the Blood Royal":
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=u...urd%22&f=false It looks as though his wife Elizabeth was the daughter of James and Mary Grout. Elizabeth seems to have had a brother, Joseph, who was almost a contemporary of James Williams (b. 1816), went to Cambridge and became an England cricketer. 
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05-04-11, 22:03
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Just realised that Joseph Grout's will's on the TNA site, so I should think it'll be worth downloading:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/d...&Edoc_Id=46940
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06-04-11, 07:45
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06-04-11, 08:04
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Christine
That's interesting and I suppose it always depended on who your natural father was...if he was Joe Bloggs the pigman, you possibly didn't get a look in, but if he was Lord Posh, well, money smoothed the way! OC
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06-04-11, 08:17
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Its odd, Tring Park ( I know it well, its now a stage school) has pretty mmuch always been the home of the Rothchild family - your bloke doesn't get a mention in the history at all
oh, just found another little snippet Local landowner Joseph Grout Williams commissioned architect John Lion to build a new Tudor style Manor in 1872. He then occupied the Manor from 1875 until 1983, when the racehorse owner and commentator Dorian Williams sold the property to The Grass Roots Company.
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06-04-11, 08:39
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He must have been exceptionally long-lived in that case
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06-04-11, 09:08
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To be honest, illegitimacy is nothing compared to some of the things I have discovered since I have been researching clergy, off the top of my head I can think of bigamy, arson, fraud, cross-dressing, homosexuality, housekeepers with children or married within days of a wifes death, I can't remember murder, but there are a few who got through a number of wives........
 They were an interesting lot!
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06-04-11, 09:29
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WELL.....One of the Clarks was clergy...say no more....lol
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06-04-11, 12:54
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lol everyone!
OC, Joseph Grout must have 'adopted' James Williams a long time before James married, if he paid for his education, so I think there's some chance there was some sort of blood tie! Sadly I have not been able to find any legitimate children for Joseph Grout in order to discover his whereabouts when James Williams was born. Jess, I agree there's no mention of Joseph grout in the history of Tring Park. I think he was there before the Rothschilds got hold of it. Mary, I added the brother of Elizabeth Grout to my tree yesterday (Joseph 1816), but hadn't researched him yet. OH will want him to be a relative if he was a cricketer! lol I just looked at the connection to The Plantagenet Roll of the Blood Royal - doesn't seem it did Fanny any good as she died soon after. Phoenix, I will only investagate land tax stuff if these people turn out to be my relatives, as I don't know that yet!
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