Genealogists' Forum - We have branches everywhere!



Go Back   Genealogists' Forum - We have branches everywhere! > Research > Family History General Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 20-05-15, 08:50
Merry's Avatar
Merry Merry is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Near Christchurch, Dorset
Posts: 21,311
Default Hmmm... original research!

I was just looking for inspiration for the 'This Day in History' entry for tomorrow. I thought I'd post about Elizabeth Fry as online biographies (inc Wikipedia and the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography) have her dob as 21 May 1780.

For reasons I don't really know, I decided to look at her birth entry on Ancestry, only to discover she was (apparently) born on 17 May 1780! So, which is right and where did the date of 21st come from?

(and now I'll have to find something else to post for tomorrow!)
__________________
Merry

"Something has been filled in that I didn't know was blank" Matthew Broderick WDYTYA? March 2010
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 20-05-15, 09:06
kiterunner's Avatar
kiterunner kiterunner is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Nottingham
Posts: 25,302
Default

That's interesting! Wikipedia doesn't seem to have a reference for where they got the dob from but probably from somewhere like the ODNB.

Here are links to the birth records for anybody who is interested:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/70...nSearchResults

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/70...nSearchResults
__________________
KiteRunner

Family History News updated 29th Feb
Findmypast 1871 census update
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 20-05-15, 09:08
Merry's Avatar
Merry Merry is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Near Christchurch, Dorset
Posts: 21,311
Default

The ODNB has a list of sources including:

Quote:
ยท digest registers (births), RS Friends, Lond. [London and Middlesex quarterly meeting
But that may refer to the births of her children rather than her own birth (in Norfolk), perhaps?
__________________
Merry

"Something has been filled in that I didn't know was blank" Matthew Broderick WDYTYA? March 2010
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 20-05-15, 09:10
kiterunner's Avatar
kiterunner kiterunner is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Nottingham
Posts: 25,302
Default

And the ODNB doesn't give a specific reference for where they got the dob from but they have a list of books etc. Odd that the biographer wouldn't have looked at the Quaker birth records though. (Sorry, I was posting at the same time as you, Merry). They do mention Norfolk RO.
__________________
KiteRunner

Family History News updated 29th Feb
Findmypast 1871 census update
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 20-05-15, 09:12
kiterunner's Avatar
kiterunner kiterunner is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Nottingham
Posts: 25,302
Default

Here is a genealogist who has the date from the Quaker records:
http://genealogy.links.org/links-cgi...y371+2-2-0-1-0

Googling for elizabeth fry "17th may 1780": 6 results
elizabeth fry "17 may 1780": 2050 results
elizabeth fry "may 17 1780" 1370 results
elizabeth fry "may 17th 1780" 1 result

elizabeth fry "21st may 1780" 4520 results
elizabeth fry "21 may 1780" 2270 results
elizabeth fry "may 21 1780" 1730 results
elizabeth fry "may 21st 1780" 160 results

So the internet mostly says 21st May!

Added: Out of the public trees on ancestry, 68 have her dob as 17th May and 187 as 21st May.
__________________
KiteRunner

Family History News updated 29th Feb
Findmypast 1871 census update
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 20-05-15, 09:16
kiterunner's Avatar
kiterunner kiterunner is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Nottingham
Posts: 25,302
Default

One of the results that came up when I was googling was the Encyclopaedia Britannica but it seems to be a summary with no references. I'll try to find the proper entry later but have to go out now.
__________________
KiteRunner

Family History News updated 29th Feb
Findmypast 1871 census update
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 20-05-15, 11:06
kiterunner's Avatar
kiterunner kiterunner is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Nottingham
Posts: 25,302
Default

Hmph, my local library's website gives me access to the online Encyclopaedia Britannica but it is just the same entry. I had a look on Google Book Search, but although I found a lot of books that give her date of birth as 21st May 1780, I couldn't see any which said where they got this date from.

There is a "contact us" page for the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, so you could contact them pointing out the discrepancy?
http://global.oup.com/oxforddnb/info/contact/
__________________
KiteRunner

Family History News updated 29th Feb
Findmypast 1871 census update
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 20-05-15, 12:03
Merry's Avatar
Merry Merry is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Near Christchurch, Dorset
Posts: 21,311
Default

I might just do that!

Thanks for doing all those google searches etc!
__________________
Merry

"Something has been filled in that I didn't know was blank" Matthew Broderick WDYTYA? March 2010
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 20-05-15, 12:10
Merry's Avatar
Merry Merry is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Near Christchurch, Dorset
Posts: 21,311
Default

Message sent. I wonder if they will reply?!
__________________
Merry

"Something has been filled in that I didn't know was blank" Matthew Broderick WDYTYA? March 2010
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 20-05-15, 13:05
kiterunner's Avatar
kiterunner kiterunner is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Nottingham
Posts: 25,302
Default

Let us know if they do!
__________________
KiteRunner

Family History News updated 29th Feb
Findmypast 1871 census update
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 09:14.


Hosted by Photon IT

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7 PL3
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.