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20-10-12, 10:50
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...and it gets odder. Smith Free Cammack's sister Agnes's middle name was Smith.
Smith Free Cammack's full name was Smith Free Dous Cammack. A resident of 39 Finkle Lane, Barton, he died in Grimsby Hospital on 24 March 1963 and left an estate worth £3.800. Still searching for the elusive Mary and she is proving to be v elusive indeed. Also trace James and Mary's other children to see if that leads somewhere. 
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20-10-12, 11:17
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It really is strange. You would think there had to be some connection, but I certainly can't see one!
Smiths are notoriously hard to find, particularly with a name like Mary! I have tried to find a marriage for Mary & James, or a death for either of them but no joy 
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20-10-12, 16:09
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OK - here's a summary. Not sure if it gets us much further, but it may help others if they want to have a go trying to find Mary.
Given the family use surnames as first names, I have tried to see if there is anyone named Mary Free marrying James Smith, but no luck...yet. Identified children: Mary, bapt 1 Sept 1821, Louth St James. Parents: James Smith, tilemaker, and Mary. John Free, bapt 11 Oct, 1822, Louth St James: Parents James Smith, brickmaker, and Mary. Betsey, bapt 14 May 1824, Louth St James: Parents James Smith, brickmaker, and Mary. Diana & Elizabeth, 21 Feb 1827, Louth St James: Parents James Smith, tilemaker, and Mary. Rebecca, born 1833 (from 1841 census - if this is a daughter and not another rellie). I also found on FreeReg, Edward Smith, bapt 26 Aug 1826 in Louth, to James Smith, bricklayer, and Mary. Might be the same family. There is an unsourced Public Tree on Ancestry saying that an Elizabeth/Betsy Smith, born 19 February 1827 married Thomas Longstaff. The couple has a son named Free Longstaff. However, the place of birth they have listed for Elizabeth/Betsy is New Holland, Lincs, not Louth. She emigrated to New Zealand and died in 1909. However, haven't managed to confirm what happened to any of Mary and James's children, apart from John Free Smith. 1841 Louth - Marley's Yard, Louth Mary Smith, 50, widow, born Lincs Free Smith, 15, brickmaker, born Lincs Elizabeth Smith, 14, born Lincs Rebecca Smith, 8, born Lincs Mary, therefore born between 1785 and 1791, allowing for rounding down. James Smith would have died c1832/1833. I can't find Mary in 1851, so she either remarried or had died. Too many Mary Smith deaths in Louth around this time to be certain any of them are the correct person. 1851 - Embleton, Northumberland Free Smith, 28, born Louth Agness Smith, 25, born Scotland James Smith, 1, born Embleton, Northumberland 1861 - Nettleton Free Smith, 38, born Louth Agnes Smith, 34, born Scotland James Smith, 11, Born Barnbrow (?), Northumberland Agnes Smith, 10, born Embelton, Northumberland Thomas Smith, 8, born Nettleton George Smith, 6, born Nettleton Mary Jane, 4, born Nettleton, Rebecca, 2, born Nettleton Sarah, 1 mo, born Nettleton 1871 - Tetney John Free Smith, 49, born Louth Agnes Smith, 45, born Stitchill Agnes Smith, 20, born Embleton Thomas Smith, 16, born Nettleton George Smith, 16, born Nettleton Mary Smith, 14, born Nettleton Rebecca Smith, 11, born Nettleton Sarah Smith, 9, born Nettleton John F Smith, 7, born Tetney Lock Elizabeth, 5, born Tetney Lock Benjamin, 3, born Tetney Lock 1881 - Blyth's brickyard, Barton-upon-Humber John Free Smith, 59, born Louth Agness Smith, 29, housekeeper, born Embleton 1891 - Barley's brickyard, Barton-upon-Humber John Free Smith, 68 Agness Smith, 39, housekeeper Rebecca Smith, 30 Still trying to figure out how Joseph Cammack, born in Nettleton and who settled in Barton is linked to the Smiths. Given that two of his children are named Smith Free Dous Cammack and Agnes Smith Cammack, it seems probable there is a connection. I wonder if Joseph couuld have been another child born to John Free Smith and Agnes Smith. And I came across this: 1891 - Ness End Brickyard, Barton-upon-Humber George Smith, 35, born Nettleton Rose H Smith, 35, born Barton (plus all other children) James H Smith, 12 Agnes E Smith, 11 Beatrice A Smith, 8 Mary Smith, 6 John Free Smith, 4 Rebecca Smith, 3, Rosa Smith, 11 mo Ada Parson, visitor, 73, Grimsby Last edited by Shona; 20-10-12 at 16:12.
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20-10-12, 16:46
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All these marriage are at St James, Louth, where the father is listed as James Smith. Taken from Lincolnshire 1837+ marriage indexes http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/
22/7/1849 Thomas Longstaff, son of John married Elizabeth Smith 17/5/1841 William Bordman, son of James married Ann Smith 23/12/1841 John Smith married Jane Pawson, widow daugther of Elvin Jackson 15/6/1843 George Smith married Emma Jane Gillott 12/12/1852 Roger Hall, son of John married Sabina Smith 19/12/1853 John Smith married Charlotte Walters The Freeman caught my eye 25/4/1859 Freeman Smith son of Freeman married Eleanor Ann Topham
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20-10-12, 17:00
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20-10-12, 17:23
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Here's another daughter of James & Mary, from Freereg
St James, Louth Baptised 09 Jul 1820 Ann daughter of James & Mary of Louth, Buckmaker? (I guess it's brickmaker badly written)
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20-10-12, 17:42
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Thanks for the summary Shona. The George who you found in 1891 is my gg grandfather, the Agnes E is Agnes Elizabeth & is still around in 1911, John Free Smith was my father's great uncle who he can remember.
I have their visitor as Ada Pearson, but I have no idea who she was. That 1849 marriage certainly looks interesting  I have been to see my parents today & asked if my Dad knew the name Cammack, he couldn't remember (his memory is not good) but Mum thought the name was familiar. Thry did recognise Finkle Lane, as it is more or less opposite my grandparents old house, so they are likely to have known him. I think it unlikely that Joseph could have been John & Agnes' son as one of my relatives (who found me through here) had details that Agnes had written of her children's births & death. Thanks for the extra baptism, I must have missed Edward when I checked the prs & Ann too!
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20-10-12, 18:02
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Just checked, Ada Pearson is Rosehannah's 1st cousin once removed. the grandaughter of her father's sister Rachel
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20-10-12, 18:06
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Oh, thanks, Lynn. That puts me out of my misery!
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20-10-12, 20:11
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Thats ok Janet. I just checked to see if I had any Pearsons already on my tree & there she was!
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