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19-05-13, 08:12
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Welsh Roots ??
Good morning
my wifes cousin is here with me and is telling me that her fathers ancestors were Welsh ... her father and my wifes mother are brother and sister - surname Molyneux I have in my tree John Molyneux b 1856 Woolton ,Liverpool he married Sarah Patterson b 1853 Gateacre,Liverpool - they married St James church,Toxteth,Liverpool 1875 Sarah Patterson b 1853 Gateacre - parents Samuel Patterson b c1830 Woolton,Liverpool Elizabeth Lloyd b 1830 Woolton,Liverpool so - I cannot see any Welsh connection ...can someone please check 1841 /1851 census please to see if I have made an error ..... thanks allan
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19-05-13, 08:31
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Just happened to look at the 1861 census first for Sarah Patterson. Found one aged 8 b Gateacre and her mother (remarried) is Elizabeth Guy b abt 1813 from Newmarton, Shropshire which is different to what you say above!
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19-05-13, 08:37
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Samuel Patterson b c1830
Elizabeth Patterson b 1830 Anne Patterson b 1842 Elizabeth 1845 - 1859 Ellen Patterson 1848 Sarah Patterson 1853 John Molyneux b 1856 Sarah Molyneux b 1853 John Lloyd Molyneux 1876 Mary 1879 Evelyn 1882 Edith 1883 Frank 1888 Samuel 1890 Jesse 1892 Harry 1895 Thomas 1897 .............5 year gap between Edith and Frank - so may be missing a child ?? allan ADDED-Thanks Merry ....Sarah`s parents as I have them with other children
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Last edited by garstonite; 19-05-13 at 08:40.
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19-05-13, 08:37
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That must be the right family as in 1851 Samuel Patterson and wife Elizabeth (39 b Shropshire New Marton) have Lloyds staying with them and Thomas Guy (who Eliz married in 1856) living nextdoor. Samuel P was born Lancs Little Woolton about 1819.
So no Welsh yet!
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19-05-13, 08:41
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Eliz 1813 Ann and Eliz are correct, also Ellen aged 2 in 1851. The Lloyd people in the house in 1851 are Elizabeth's children (Margaret 16 and John 11 in 1851), so are you sure Lloyd was Eliz maiden surname and not her prev married name?
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19-05-13, 08:57
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In 1841 Elizabeth Lloyd is living with her two Lloyd children, no man, and she marries Samuel P later the same year.
best fit for Samuel in 1841 is living in Liverpool, is a shoemaker (I can't remember now if that was what he was in 1851?) and says he was born in Scotland! So, not what was said in 1851 or Wales!!!
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19-05-13, 09:00
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AH...it certainly looks like Elizabeth was married before then ??...Merry ..sincere apologies - ANN and daughter off to Benidorm today with 6 others ...doing Breakfast - then dinner ...will be back on around 3pm ...will keep popping back on to see any developments
cheers allan
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19-05-13, 09:08
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OK, Elizabeth's Samuel wasn't a shoemaker, so Scotland is a red herring. We don't yet know if Elizabeth was a widow when she married Samuel (unless you have the cert) but surname Lloyd may well have originated in Wales.
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19-05-13, 09:24
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Samuel was in Little Woolton in 1841 transcribed as Bettison. He says Yes for born in county. He's not with his parents, so no help there.
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