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26-03-13, 06:51
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http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/f...ighlight=sacht
This was the post from 2 years ago ...that is wrong now...Evan Jones was the father of Mary Ellen Jones and Ann Jones .... Wendy LF has the family tree according to that tree - Elizabeth Jones is in 70 Upper Wolfe st Toxteth in 1851 and in 107 Wolfe st Toxteth in 1861 Evan Jones died in May 1861 so I presume he is with her in 1851 but not in 1861..... allan
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26-03-13, 07:10
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So, Allan, are you saying that you have found Mary Ellen's marriage certificate and it says Evan for father's name, not David? Or have you found out that the father's name on the marriage certificate is wrong, and if so, how did you find that out, please?
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26-03-13, 07:16
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This is how this tree that Wendy LF found - I won`t put all in - just those that will relate to Wendy and I
Descendants of John Day John Day b c1751 Birmingham,Waricks married Sarah Green(b c 1759) 22nd june 1779 in Birmingham their daughter Elizabeth Day is born 1780 ....she marries Benjamin Ryley on 21st feb 1798 in Birmingham their child Elizabeth Ryley is born 13th feb 1807 in Pitt st ,Liverpool..she marries Robert Nixon on 24th july 1825 at St James church Toxteth ,Liverpool that leads us to Elizabeth Ryley Nixon who was baptised 22nd feb 1835 and she married Evan Jones in 1849.......their 2 girls were Ann Jones b 1854 and Mary Ellen Jones b 1858 Mary Ellen Jones b 1858 is the gg grandmother of Wendy LF and myself... Mary Ellen married Carl Freidrich Sacht...their 2 girls were Sophia Sacht -my g grandmother Adelaide Sacht - g grandmother of Wendy LF ... so ...are John Day and Sarah Green our ggggg grandparents ??
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26-03-13, 07:22
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Hiya Kate ...thanks for helping ....I found out through Evan Datlef Oakes b 1912 ( if I remember right)...he was named after his 2 grandparents
Datlef Sacht and Evan Jones...his daughter is still alive and was with me when we went to Carl Sachts grave last year over in Ireland allan
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26-03-13, 07:27
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FamilySearch shows the fathers' names on the marriage as Datlef Sacht and Evan Jones, too. What is Evan's occupation on Mary's marriage certificate? I think we need to check each step carefully as we don't know where the owner of that tree got their information from.
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26-03-13, 07:29
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allan added...He was b in Monmouthshire if I remember correctly about 1812-15 and Yes - Wendy and I are both sceptical of this tree ...I think Wendy is e-mailing him today
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Last edited by garstonite; 26-03-13 at 07:34.
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26-03-13, 07:34
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So this looks like the family in 1861:
1861 census ancestry 107 Woolf Street, Toxteth Park, Liverpool Evan Jones Head Mar 51 Ship Joiner Montgomeryshire Llanegog(?) Elizabeth Do Wife Mar 28 Lancashire Liverpool Ann Do Daur 6 Scholar Do Do Mary Ellen Do Daur 4 Scholar Do Do Amy Rower(?) Visitor Mar 26(?) Dress Maker Yorkshire Skipton.
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26-03-13, 07:40
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And this looks like them in 1851:
1851 census ancestry 80 Upper Woolfe Street, Toxteth Park, Liverpool Evan Jones Head Mar 39 Joiner Wales Montgomeryshire Elizabeth Do Wife Do 19 Lancaster Lpool David Jones Son 12 Scholar Do Do Jane Do Daur 9 Do Do Do.
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26-03-13, 07:44
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I am out with the house numbers - but yes Kate ...that`s the info I had ..
looking at that ..When was 1861 census taken ?...was it after May 1861 ?..because that`s the month I have for his death ...checking freebmd ...cos I might be wrong allan ADDED...june qtr 1861 Jones Evan West Derby .....so I think it was in May he died ...though I can`t remember where the May death info came from ??..just checking my tree ..back soon
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Last edited by garstonite; 26-03-13 at 07:48.
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26-03-13, 07:47
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This could be them in 1841 but is very faint:
1841 census ancestry 20 Grafton Street, Toxteth Park, Liverpool Evan Jones 30 Joiner No Mary Do 25 " Thomas Do 8 " Elizabeth Do 7 " David Do 2 Y. But there is also this family with no occupation shown, also Evan older than he would be to match the other censuses: 1841 other entry Ford Street, Liverpool Evan Jones 35 No Wales Elizabeth Do 30 No William Do 10 Yes Evan Do 4 Yes David 2 Yes Ann Shaw 60 No Elizabeth Morris 40 Yes.
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