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#11
08-03-22, 09:58
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There's an Eliza Sayle in London in 1871:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discovery...=successSource Here is Eliza with her grandparents in 1861: https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcr...1%2F0021538060 The Esther Radcliffe you found earlier, Kate, is the other Esther's mother. I did have her on that census. 
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#12
08-03-22, 10:01
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Esther Patty was a spinster when she married James Patty in 1853 (the certificate is online at Family Search).
It seems it was common knowledge who Eliza's father was.
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#13
08-03-22, 10:09
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Here is Eliza's baptism:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61...=16&cc=1784428 Over the past 24 hours I've managed to locate 5 Isle of Man wills on Family Search and download them, helped by this index: http://www.iomfhs.im/resources/wills/Index_A-Z.html It entails scrolling through pages and pages.
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#14
08-03-22, 12:36
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Post #8 shows that Eliza was illegitimate, so couldn't it just be that she used her father's surname when she got married?
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08-03-22, 13:56
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/I don't wish to muddy the water any more, but Esther Radcliffe from the original post, aged 86 in 1881 is living with Henry Clarke and Eliza nee Sayle. She has Clarke crossed through as a surname, and despite being an aged widow, has "putative daughter" as her relationship with head of household. Might this suggest that Clara was not actually Henry's daughter?
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#16
08-03-22, 14:53
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#17
08-03-22, 15:35
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I'm keeping an open mind about Eliza and the wider family.
When Eliza was living with her grandparents she went by the name of Sayle, probably for respectability's sake. There was a lot of illegitimacy and multiple marriages on the Isle of Man!
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