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11-12-10, 08:43
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1851 please.
A contact has sent me some information but I have found a few holes I would like plugged!
I am trying to check the age of Ralph Shorrock. In 1841, he is 40, an engineer, of Union St, Darwen, Lancs, with wife Alice (45) and a load of children, youngest Ralph aged 2. I would like to know what age he declares in 1851, because I have a baptism for him in 1804 which would make him only 14 at marriage. Possible but unlikely I feel. Thanks in advance. OC 
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11-12-10, 08:51
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Is this the right family? Because he appears as brother of James and brother in law of Alice? James is a grocer and Ralph a sexton
Civil Parish: Over Darwen Ecclesiastical parish: St James County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Blackburn James Shorrock Alice abt 1811 Over Darwen Head Over Darwen, Lancashire Alice Shorrock James abt 1815 Over Darwen Wife Over Darwen, Lancashire Ralph Shorrock abt 1805 Over Darwen Brother Over Darwen, Lancashire John Shorrock abt 1836 Over Darwen Son Over Darwen, Lancashire Ralph Shorrock abt 1837 Over Darwen Son Over Darwen, Lancashire Mary Shorrock abt 1843 Over Darwen Daughter Over Darwen, Lancashire
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11-12-10, 08:55
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These are the other Ralph Shorrocks, keyword Darwen
Ralph Shorrock abt 1791 Lower Darwen, Lancashire, England Head Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire Ralph Shorrock spouse Jane abt 1795 Darwen, Lancashire, England Head Leyland, Lancashire Ralph Shorrock spouse Grace abt 1801 Over Darwen, Lancashire, England Head Over Darwen, Lancashire Ralph Shorrock abt 1805 Over Darwen Brother Over Darwen, Lancashire View Record Ralph Shorrock Jane abt 1822 Over Darwen, Lancashire, England Head Over Darwen, Lancashire Ralph Shorrock Ann abt 1824 O Darwen, Lancashire, England Head Over Darwen, Lancashire Ralph Shorrock Mayeny abt 1826 Over Darwen, Lancashire, England Head Chorley, Lancashire Ralph Shorrock Thomas abt 1830 Darwen, Lancashire, England Son Over Darwen, Lancashire Ralph Shorrock abt 1835 Over Darwen, Lancashire, England Son Over Darwen, Lancashire Ralph Shorrock Ralph, Grace abt 1837 Over Darwen, Lancashire, England Son Over Darwen, Lancashire Ralph Shorrock James, Alice abt 1837 Over Darwen Son Over Darwen, Lancashire Ralph Shorrock John abt 1838 Over Darwen, Lancashire, England Son Over Darwen, Lancashire Ralph Shorrock Thomas, Jane Isis abt 1844 Over Darwen, Lancashire, England Son Over Darwen, Lancashire
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#4
11-12-10, 09:07
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Thanks Asa, none of those look right! How very odd this is, I will confer with my contact.
Thankyou for looking for me. OC
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11-12-10, 09:52
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It seems to me that you are only interested in the Ralph Shorrock who is the son of Ellen Holden. Any other Ralphs are of no consequence. Is that right?
The family you have in 1841 would definitely appear to be the children of Alice Entwhistle and Ralph Shorrock who married in 1818, so I think that Ralph can't be yours - never minding what age he said he was on the census. I think the Ralph that Asa found (who was single) may be the child of John and Peggy Shorrock (listed as Showers in 1841).
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11-12-10, 10:02
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Merry
I'm gobsmacked - how do you know I am only interested in Ralph, son of Ellen Holden and James Shorrock??!!! In 1841, the Shorrocks in Union St have son Ralkph aged 2. his mother's maiden name is Entwistle according to Lancsbmd, so it seems correct that this family is the Ralph Shorrock/Alice Entwistle marriage. But yes, you are right, I don't feel this is MY Ralph Shorrock, son of James Shorrock and Ellen Holden. I further feel uneasy because this family has not followed the naming pattern - there ought to be an Esther and a Rachel and a Timothy in there, if they are descended from Ellen Holden! OC
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11-12-10, 10:05
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Lol I looked at the 1804 baptism and the name Holden had a beacon of light round it!!
Timothy?!  What about this non-con burial for yours?: Name: Ralph Shorrock Event Type: Burial Birth Date: Birthplace: Christening Date: Christening Place: Marriage Date: Marriage Place: Death Date: Death Place: Burial Date: 01 Oct 1818 Burial Place: Blackburn-over-Darwen, Lancashire Father's Name: Mother's Name: Record Set: RG4_2001 Collection: England and Wales, Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8) Or this one: Name: Ralph Shorrock Event Type: Burial Birth Date: Birthplace: Christening Date: Christening Place: Marriage Date: Marriage Place: Death Date: Death Place: Burial Date: 11 May 1817 Burial Place: Blackburn-over-Darwen, Lancashire Father's Name: Mother's Name: Record Set: RG4_2001 Collection: England and Wales, Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8) There's another one one in Blackburn as well.
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11-12-10, 10:12
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Actually, there are surprisingly quite a few Ralph Shorrock burials on the pilot site.
Why is the forename Ralph so popular in Lancs and other more northern counties, but not so much down south?
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11-12-10, 10:12
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Either of those could be, thankyou Merry. Ralph was definitely from a noncon family.
OC
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11-12-10, 10:14
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Merry
the name Ralph (in Darwen and surrounds) stems from Ralph Holden, Lord of the Manor. Ralph was a first-son name in the Holdens from about 1100 onwards. OC
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