Mary Ann Chiveriel/Chefferiel

[KiwiChris]

I am completely stuck on this one and going around in circles. If they could just spell the name consistently it would help!
If you want to come around in circles with me, see what you make of this - sorry it is rather long!

Mary Ann Chiveriel certainly married George James Champion 6 November 1895 and on the marriage certificate she says her father was Frederick Chiveriel law stationer.
Two of the witnesses were Frederick and May Chiveriel.
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...=try&h=7539245

1911 she says she is b c1863 Brixton Middlesex

1901 her sister is with them Florence Chiveril b c1866 Brixton
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...=try&h=7990407
There is a birth of Florence Maria Chifferiel Dec q1865 Holborn mmn Grout
William also a law stationer and the brother of Frederick, married Emma Grout, and there are a number of children mmn Grout.

1939 Mary Ann Champion was born 18 May 1862 - I cannot find a birth registration and I have tried all manner of spelling Chiveriel.

There is a Frederick Chiveriel/Chifferiel b c1820 or 1826 Middlesex who is a law stationer, 1851 and 1861 he is married to Mary Ann b c1826 Lincolnshire
https://www.findmypast.com/transcrip...871/0003437051
They have a daughter Alice Mary 1863 Surrey, possibly registered as Alice Maud Mary Chifferiel June q 1862 Lambeth, mmn Champion
1939 there is Alice M Chifferiel born 8 April 1862, and Alice Mary Chifferiel spinster died 6 June 1940
She is the only child that appears with Frederick on the 1871 and 1881 census.
Frederick the law stationer died in 1883 so the witness at the marriage of Mary Ann and James George Champion is not him.

There is a Frederick Chiveriel born March 6 1868 West Ham, mmn Warner
When that Frederick married in 1898 he named his father as Frederick Chiveriel lithographer.
https://www.findmypast.com/transcrip.../MAR/0442909/1

Other births with mmn Warner that I have managed to find are
Harriet b Sept q 1858 Islington
Maria b Dec q 1860 Islington

In 1861 I have found
Harriet CHIVERIEL b c1832 Bethnal Green, living St Giles Camberwell, married with no husband at home, and daughters Harriet b c1858 Islington and Maria b c1861 Islington
https://www.findmypast.com/transcrip...861/0002524616

I cannot find them after that, but possibly there is a death for Harriet CHEVERIEL b c1832 in 1877 Epping Essex

Interestingly when Frederick the law stationer died, one of the people on the probate was Benjamin Warner silk manufacturer, he was b c1829 Bethnal Green, so same place as Harriet CHIVERIEL (possibly nee WARNER)
in 1841 Benjamin has sister Harriet b c1831, and 1851 she appears to be b Bethnal Green.


I cannot find any marriage for Frederick Cheveriel/Chefferiel at all nor Chi* or Che* to anyone Champion or Warner.

Unless there are two of them and I have not found the other one. I am beginning to think he led a double life with two families, certainly Alice Mary and Mary Ann cannot have had the same mother as they are born 2 months apart.

[kiterunner]

This is William and Emma in 1871 but no Mary Ann:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...cklabel=Return

Frederick and Harriet in 1871, and they do have a Mary Ann and a Florence of the right ages:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...1637_1639-0561

Old Road, Chigwell, Essex
Fredrick Chevral Head Mar 40 (or 45?) Commercial Traveller Islington
Harriett Do Wife Mar 35 Bethnal Green
Mariah Do Daur 10 Islington
Mary A Chevrel Daur 8 Islington
Ellen Do Daur 7 Camberwell
Florence Do Daur 5 Do
Frederick Do Son 3 Essex Snaresbrook

[kiterunner]

This is Frederick jr with sisters Ellen and Florence in 1891:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...=successSource

[Merry]

They have a daughter Alice Mary 1863 Surrey, possibly registered as Alice Maud Mary Chifferiel June q 1862 Lambeth, mmn Champion

Alice Mary was baptised at Wells next the Sea in Norfolk!

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/reco.../BAP/003942634

[kiterunner]

May seems to be Maria - here she is with Ellen and Florence in 1939, all single:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...=successSource

5 Eversfield Rd, Reigate, Surrey
Chiveriel, May 13 Sep 1860
Ellen 16 Jan 1864
Florence 31 Dec 1865.

[kiterunner]

Harriet jr must be the Harriet Chiverill who died Jan-Mar 1867 Camberwell, age 8.

[KiwiChris]

I knew I would wake up this morning to some new leads! Thanks heaps.

I am not sure how Frederick the commercial traveler manages to morph into the law stationer/lithographer by the time Mary Ann and Frederick jnr married as they are obviously two different people as they both appear on the 1871 census. Unless he was leading a double life and both wives marked him as being home on census night!

[kiterunner]

Originally Posted by KiwiChris

I knew I would wake up this morning to some new leads! Thanks heaps.

I am not sure how Frederick the commercial traveler manages to morph into the law stationer/lithographer by the time Mary Ann and Frederick jnr married as they are obviously two different people as they both appear on the 1871 census. Unless he was leading a double life and both wives marked him as being home on census night!

It has been known to happen.

[kiterunner]

If you have access to the British Newspaper Archive, search for Frederick Chifferiel and some matches come up which refer to a chancery case concerning his estate, Chifferiel v Watson. Also if you search for "Chifferiel v Watson", more matches come up. I haven't got a sub to that site or to FMP at the moment to view the full entries.

But there is a report of it in this book:
https://archive.org/details/lawtimes...urgoog/page/n6

Just trying to find the right page as it is difficult to read it in the format that Google initially sends you to.

Edit - image no 76 and images 130-1.

[kiterunner]

Hmm, he doesn't actually seem to say in the quoted part of the will that Frederick Chifferiel of Upton, Essex, is his son. Presumably the full will (plus the two codicils) would have more info. But considering that he left him the estate in Surrey, it certainly fits.