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Old 09-04-19, 08:42
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We already know they not online, but are at Preston! (posts of May last year)…

Here's the page from the Lancashire Archives collections:

https://www.lancashire.gov.uk/media/67389/O.pdf
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Hi , I also was searching the Ormskirk online parish clerks , around 1800 s to see if maybe William Hale had siblings ,I found a few births from 1800s onwards a john James Elizabeth and Ann . Parents William and Mary hale ? What are your thoughts on that ? Or do you think because they were catholic they would have been baptised at st Annes Catholic Church ?
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All we know from the paper trail so far is that your William said he was born in Lancashire (1841 census) and that he was buried as a Catholic. If he was raised as a Catholic he would still have married in the C of E because Catholic marriages were illegal from 1754 to 1837.

With regard to the children of William and Mary Hale - were all the baptisms you found after 1802? If so, then this is probably the marriage of that William and Mary (well after the birth of your William):

Marriage: 6 Dec 1802 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
William Hale - this parish
Mary Burrows - (X), this parish
Witness: Richard Woosey; John Hankin
Married by Banns by: Will Naylor Minister of Altcar
Register: Marriages 1784 - 1812, Page 190, Entry 762
Source: LDS Film 1849664

There's a bap for a Mary Burrows in Ormskirk in 1782 - if that's the same Mary Burrows, she is too young to be the mother of William Hale (b 1795).

I just think you need to look at the RC baptisms for St Anne's.
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As your William was buried at St Peter and St Paul Ormskirk I thought it might be helpful to record other RC Hale burials at the same church. I covered 1794 to 1850:

Burial: 3 Oct 1824 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancs.
Mary Hale -
Age: 4
Abode: Ormskirk
Notes: R Catholic
Register: Burials 1813 - 1825, Page 270, Entry 2155
Source: LDS Film 1849664

Burial: 15 Oct 1824 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancs.
Samuel Hale -
Age: 33 yrs
Abode: Ormskirk
Notes: R Catholic
Register: Burials 1813 - 1825, Page 271, Entry 2162
Source: LDS Film 1849664

Burial: 25 Dec 1828 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancs.
Sarah Hale -
Age: 2
Abode: Ormskirk
Notes: Roman Catholic
Register: Burials 1825 - 1843, Page 87, Entry 628
Source: LDS Film 1849664

Burial: 3 Jun 1830 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancs.
William Hale -
Age: 2
Abode: Ormskirk
Notes: Roman Catholic
Register: Burials 1825 - 1843, Page 136, Entry 990
Source: LDS Film 1849664

Burial: 31 Dec 1831 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancs.
William Hale -
Age: 6 ms
Abode: Ormskirk
Notes: Roman Catholic
Register: Burials 1825 - 1843, Page 178, Entry 1330
Source: LDS Film 1849664

Burial: 10 Jun 1837 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancs.
Thomas Hale -
Age: 8 yrs
Abode: Ormskirk
Notes: Roman Catholic
Register: Burials 1825 - 1843, Page 361, Entry 1168
Source: LDS Film 1849664

Burial: 6 Feb 1838 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancs.
Samuel Hale -
Age: 14 ms
Abode: Ormskirk
Notes: Roman Catholic
Register: Burials 1825 - 1843, Page 383, Entry 1338
Source: LDS Film 1849664

Burial: 6 Jul 1840 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancs.
Mary Hale -
Age: 77 yrs
Abode: Ormskirk
Notes: Roman Catholic
Register: Burials 1825 - 1843, Page 462, Entry 1906
Source: LDS Film 1849664

Burial: 9 Jan 1841 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancs.
Charles Hale -
Age: Infant
Abode: Ormskirk
Notes: Roman Catholic
Register: Burials 1825 - 1843, Page 482, Entry 1063
Source: LDS Film 1849664

Burial: 19 Nov 1842 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancs.
Ellen Hale -
Age: 11 yrs
Abode: Ormskirk
Notes: Roman Catholic
Register: Burials 1825 - 1843, Page 547, Entry 1981
Source: LDS Film 1849664

Burial: 26 Aug 1850 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
Ellen Hale -
Age: 1 yr
Abode: Ormskirk
Notes: Roman Catholic
Register: Burials 1846 - 1852, Page 308, Entry 2464
Source: LDS Film 1849664

After 1852 the burial register doesn't mention anyone being Catholic.

I wondered how much of a long shot it might be that Samuel Hale was a brother of your William (William and Esther seem to have named a son Samuel, aged 16 in 1841)? Also, this might be Samuel's marriage:

Marriage: 8 Jun 1824 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
Samuel Hale - (X), This Parish
Mary Huyton - (X), This Parish
Witness: Elizabeth Pew, (X); George Wignall
Married by Banns by: George Whitehead Bower, Curate
Register: Marriages 1813 - 1827, Page 209, Entry 625
Source: LDS Film 1849664

In which case he only lived for a few months after the marriage.

Many of those child burials could be children of your William. Charles buried 1841 definitely is, as his birth reg has mmn Chamberlane.

So, now you might want to look for baptisms for William and Samuel at St Anne's plus baptisms for the children of your William and Esther.

Mary Hale, bur 1840, could be the mother of your William and possibly also Samuel! Should you find records that link these people, Mary's death certificate should give the name of her husband if that was known to the informant.
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Old 13-04-19, 07:42
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Hi , I am now going going to try and find a day when I can go to look at the records . I may beable to glean a lot more info . I was looking around at church records , not far away from Ormskirk .just to see if the name Hale was prevelent. And I found quite a few Hales in the church records of aughton , which is approx two miles away . Also saw a marriage of a Henry hale to Margeret Jennys in 1864 in Halsall which isn't far away . It could be that I'm clutching at straws to find the link , but at least , the name could be from around those areas .
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Hi , just wondering if William Hale born in 1780 in aughton which is near Ormskirk could be Williams father ?
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Have you found a likely baptism for your William now then? I didn't know we knew his father's name. Did you get to search the RC records?

If you know his father is William, I would doubt someone born in 1780 would be the father of a son born 1795. However this William born 1780 might well be the one who married in 1802 to Mary Burrows.
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Hi , found the birth of mary burrows in 1872 .in Ormskirk . It is possible that she married William hale who was born in aughton .
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There are two burials in 1840 Ann hale age 77 Ann hale age 49 Ormskirk online Parish clerks
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Sorry that should have been Mary Hale who is 77 , who is a Roman Catholic . Could this be Williams mother as you said ?
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