Arthur Race again - Page 3 - Genealogists' Forum

Merry · #21 02-10-09, 12:10

So, if we concentrate on Arthur Race being someone else, we have these conclusions:

No birth for Arthur.

No marriage at the right time to someone called Marion/Mary/Mary Ann etc except for the one eliminated by the LMA records.

No sightings in 1861, 71, 81, 91, 1901 or 1911.

No death up to the end of FreeBMD for either of them.

Joan of Archives · #22 02-10-09, 12:11

I'm not sure what you want finding? They definitely were married. Have you got them on the 1891 census?

kiterunner · #23 02-10-09, 12:11

Oh good, thanks, Merry. It does look fishy, then, doesn't it?!

Merry · #24 02-10-09, 12:12

Kite wants to make sure the 1911 Race couple are her Bristows, as if they are not, the she needs to find Owen and Marion Bristow somewhere else.

Joan of Archives · #25 02-10-09, 12:12

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Originally Posted by Joan of Archives

So this one has nothing to do with him so we can discount them?

Owen Ferrier Beasant Bristow
Age: 27
Born approx abt 1855
Spouse Mary Ann Marrian Field Cohen
Spouse Age 24
Married 23 Dec 1882
Saint Luke, West Holloway
Middlesex
Islington
Father Name: John Bristow
Spouse Father Name: William Cohen

So this definitely was their marriage but you are saying that they then changed their names?

kiterunner · #26 02-10-09, 12:13

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Originally Posted by Joan of Archives

I'm not sure what you want finding? They definitely were married. Have you got them on the 1891 census?

Joan, I've got Owen / Fred on all the censuses except the 1911; I'm just trying to find out whether Arthur Race and Marion on the 1911 are really Owen Bristow and his wife, or if Owen's wife ran off with an Arthur Race, or if the Races are a different couple entirely.

kiterunner · #27 02-10-09, 12:16

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Originally Posted by Joan of Archives

So this definitely was their marriage but you are saying that they then changed their names?

Yes, that is definitely their marriage. I don't think they officially changed their names because their deaths are registered under their original names but I suspect they used a false name for a few years, though I don't know why? Maybe they owed some money?

Joan of Archives · #28 02-10-09, 12:21

Have you got their death certificates? Is it possible that Frederick was the name Owen was known by?

kiterunner · #29 02-10-09, 12:22

I haven't got their death certs yet, Joan, no. I'm sure he was known as Fred or Frederick but I'm just trying to find out if he was Arthur Race or not.

Joan of Archives · #30 02-10-09, 12:23

Have you had a look to see if there was any mention of a bankruptcy for him?