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Old 02-10-09, 10:55
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Default Arthur Race again

Some time ago, I was trying to work out whether these people on the 1911 census were really who they said they were:

27 Russell Square, Brighton, Sussex
Arthur Race Head 55 M 28 yrs Dealer in Pictures London Rotherhithe
Marion Race Wife 49 M 28 yrs no children Boarding House Keeper Birmingham Warks


There was what looked likely to be their marriage on FreeBMD - Arthur Race and Mary Laurence Dec 1883 Hackney, and a Mary Ann Laurence born Birmingham who seemed to fit the bill. But now the LMA records are online, I've found that they didn't marry each other - that Arthur Race married Jane Canning.

So, can we find anything to confirm this couple's existence?
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Old 02-10-09, 11:02
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Do you have them on any earlier census at all?

Also I am guessing but is she normally Marion or sometime Maryann or Mary Ann?
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Old 02-10-09, 11:09
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I haven't managed to find them under the name Race on any other census. If they're the people I suspect they might be then her name would be Mary Ann Marrion.
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Old 02-10-09, 11:18
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What about this one?

Try Arthur RICE to Louisa Marion Warde
Marriage 17 Aug 1878
Parish: Saint Matthew, West Kensington
County: Middlesex

Worth a try? His father was Samuel on the marriage cert.
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Old 02-10-09, 11:22
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I think I've found that couple in 1881, Joan, and although she does call herself Marion, her birthplace is Chesham Bucks and his is Norfolk.
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I can't find either of them with their parents in 1871 anyway lol!
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Old 02-10-09, 11:33
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Oh cripes - erm.....if I said O. Bristow........
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Old 02-10-09, 11:39
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How did you guess, Merry?
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I didn't exactly.

I looked up Mary Ann M born Birmingham on FreeBMD and then looked for a marriage of the only match, who didn't ring a bell particularly, but certainly did when I saw who the spouse was! lol

Where is he in 1901?
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In 1901 they are at 25 Haverstock Hill, Hampstead, London
Frederick Bristow Head M 45 Waterproof Goods Mfr London Bermondsey
Marrion Bristow Wife M 42 Birmingham Aston
Nellie Field S-in-law U 23 Assistant in Fancy Embroidery London Kensington

The 1902 street directory lists Fred Bristow at that address. The 1915 directory lists a William Henry Starmes there. I haven't actually paid up to view the address on the 1911 census though I suppose I could. I can't find a London directory for around 1911 to check at the moment.

Kelly's Directory for Sussex 1909 has nothing for no 27 Russell Square, then in 1911 it lists Rice, Arthur, apartments, and the 1915 directory has nothing for the address.

To save you checking, Nellie Field is married by 1911 and they aren't with her.
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