DNA Testing recommendations?

[kr236rk]

Originally Posted by kiterunner

Here is some info. I'm sure the staff at the library can help you access the Ancestry library edition:

https://www.dorsetcouncil.gov.uk/lib...y-edition.aspx

Thanks, my nearest public library is in Hampshire over the border - the nearest one in Dorset is miles & miles away, I go there now & then but it's too far away for a regular stop-off. My village sits on the boundary line between Dorset & Hampshire :-o

[kr236rk]

Originally Posted by Merry

You can look for A Kemp here:

http://members.pcug.org.au/~croe/sotq/sotq_abw.cgi

I note he wasn't at home with his first wife, Margaret Humphrey, in 1901 which is how it should be if he was serving in SA.

Thanks, it says:-

Queenstown Town Guard.

Surname: Kemp, Forename/inits: Arthur, Regimental no ~ Rank ~
Source: WO100/285
Parent Category: South African units
Category: Town Guards.

What does it all mean please - family lore placed him in the East Kents, 'The Buffs'?

Or is this him?

1208 Private Kemp A 6th Bn, the Middlesex Regiment

http://www.britishmedals.us/files/middlesex.htm

[Merry]

Originally Posted by kr236rk

The genealogy is complex which reflects life in Victorian England I'm afraid. I know Arthur had another family somewhere, because my father had a step-brother called George Thomas Kemp (born 1896), it looks very complicated to me.

What are the HOBBS and BULLOCK references please?

Don't think I have the marriage certificate for Arthur Kemp. Here is Arthur with Louisa at Bromley on the 1911 census.

OK, So from the 1939 Register your Arthur was born 14 Apr 1867.

From the 1911 census we have him born Hammersmith.

If that info is all correct then this is his birth registration:

KEMP, ARTHUR
BULLOCK
GRO Reference: 1867 J Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 107

Bullock is his mother's maiden name and 1867 J means quarter 2 (Apr. May, Jun) is when his birth was registered, which fits with his birth being in April. Kensington District covers Hammersmith.

Looking at the 1871 census, I think this is him with his parents (note that they have him born in Kensington rather than Hammersmith)

3 Denmark Terrace Hammersmith

George Kemp head married 30 (?) cabinet maker born Middlesex Marylebone
Emma Kemp wife married 26 born Middlesex Clerkenwell
George Kemp son 5 scholar born Middlesex Shoreditch
Arthur Kemp son 3 born Middlesex Kensington
Emma Kemp daughter 10 months Middlesex Hammersmith

George and Emma both also have mother's maiden name (mmn) Bullock on their birth registrations.

Here's the parents marriage:

Marriages Jun 1864

Bullock Emma Sarah Bethnal Gn 1c 591
Kemp George Oliver Bethnal Gn 1c 591

The parish register entry is viewable on Ancestry if you can access it at the library.

Having said all the above, you do need to get the marriage cert for Arthur to Louisa to confirm his father is George, cabinet maker. It would be risky to go ahead without that confirmation.

Other family for Arthur in the following post.

[Merry]

Arthur Kemp's first marriage is this one:

Marriages Jun 1893

Humphrey Margaret Quick Reigate 2a 364
Kemp Arthur Reigate 2a 364

1901 census

44 Arthur Road, Beckenham, Kent
Margaret Kemp head married 26 born Beckenham, Kent
Arthur Kemp son 6 born Earlswood, Surrey
George Kemp son 5 born Beckenham, Kent
Maggie Kemp daughter 3 born Beckenham, Kent

Margaret died later in 1901 (there were no further children registered after the census and before her death)

Deaths Dec 1901
KEMP Margaret Quick 26 Bromley 2a 271

[Merry]

Originally Posted by kr236rk

Thanks, it says:-

Queenstown Town Guard.

Surname: Kemp, Forename/inits: Arthur, Regimental no ~ Rank ~
Source: WO100/285
Parent Category: South African units
Category: Town Guards.

What does it all mean please - family lore placed him in the East Kents, 'The Buffs'?

Or is this him?

1208 Private Kemp A 6th Bn, the Middlesex Regiment

http://www.britishmedals.us/files/middlesex.htm

There are more on that first site if you search A Kemp not Arthur. One is the same one you have listed with service number 1208.

[kiterunner]

Originally Posted by kr236rk

Thanks, my nearest public library is in Hampshire over the border - the nearest one in Dorset is miles & miles away, I go there now & then but it's too far away for a regular stop-off. My village sits on the boundary line between Dorset & Hampshire :-o

https://www.hants.gov.uk/librariesan...digitallibrary

https://www.bournemouth.gov.uk/Libra...resources.aspx

[kr236rk]

Originally Posted by Merry

OK, So from the 1939 Register your Arthur was born 14 Apr 1867.

From the 1911 census we have him born Hammersmith.

If that info is all correct then this is his birth registration:

KEMP, ARTHUR
BULLOCK
GRO Reference: 1867 J Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 107

Bullock is his mother's maiden name and 1867 J means quarter 2 (Apr. May, Jun) is when his birth was registered, which fits with his birth being in April. Kensington District covers Hammersmith.

Wow thanks, that's a new surname to me! :-o

Also BULLOCK 1648 (Derbyshire) (See Robert Dawson ARITF)

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups...out/background

There's more here too: "Ayres, Barber, Barney, Bellows, Blake, Boswell, Bowers, Broadway, Bullock, ... Ayres, Ballam, Bowring, Brewer, Bridle, Broadway, Bryer, Buckland, Bullock, ... " Probably red herrings though.

https://rtfhs.org.uk/publications/gypsy-families/

Looking at the 1871 census, I think this is him with his parents (note that they have him born in Kensington rather than Hammersmith)

3 Denmark Terrace Hammersmith

George Kemp head married 30 (?) cabinet maker born Middlesex Marylebone
Emma Kemp wife married 26 born Middlesex Clerkenwell
George Kemp son 5 scholar born Middlesex Shoreditch
Arthur Kemp son 3 born Middlesex Kensington
Emma Kemp daughter 10 months Middlesex Hammersmith

George and Emma both also have mother's maiden name (mmn) Bullock on their birth registrations.

Here's the parents marriage:

Marriages Jun 1864

Bullock Emma Sarah Bethnal Gn 1c 591
Kemp George Oliver Bethnal Gn 1c 591

The parish register entry is viewable on Ancestry if you can access it at the library.

Having said all the above, you do need to get the marriage cert for Arthur to Louisa to confirm his father is George, cabinet maker. It would be risky to go ahead without that confirmation.

Other family for Arthur in the following post.

Have this family on census (attached) hope you can view it - have to make images quite small for the forum to upload them. Look at this, ridiculous, my grandfather who died 12 years before I was even born, aged 3! It makes my head spin

[kr236rk]

Originally Posted by Merry

Arthur Kemp's first marriage is this one:

Marriages Jun 1893

Humphrey Margaret Quick Reigate 2a 364
Kemp Arthur Reigate 2a 364

1901 census

44 Arthur Road, Beckenham, Kent
Margaret Kemp head married 26 born Beckenham, Kent
Arthur Kemp son 6 born Earlswood, Surrey
George Kemp son 5 born Beckenham, Kent
Maggie Kemp daughter 3 born Beckenham, Kent

Thank you. Reigate, that rings a bell somewhere with those army records.

[kr236rk]

Originally Posted by kiterunner

https://www.hants.gov.uk/librariesan...digitallibrary

https://www.bournemouth.gov.uk/Libra...resources.aspx

Thank you, am a member of Hants Libraries. Wonder if there are any bells & whistles I am not using for FMP or indeed Ancestry, that I can access through Hants? I have basic memberships with FMP & Ancestry.

[kr236rk]

Originally Posted by Merry

There are more on that first site if you search A Kemp not Arthur. One is the same one you have listed with service number 1208.

Many thanks,


KEMP, A 1208 Private 6Bn. Middlesex Regt. Mdx. Regt.
KEMP, A 3430 Pvte Loyal N Lancashire Fusiliers WO100 Lanc. Fus.
KEMP, A 5194 Private 17th Lancers Brit. Cavalry J-L
KEMP, A 5194 Pvte 17th (Duke of Cambridge's Own) Lancers QSAs
KEMP, A 5194 Private 17th Lancers 17th Lancers
KEMP, A 6136 Private Loyal North Lancashire Regt. LNLancs.

KEMP, A Army Service Corps 2nd ABW Australians
KEMP, A Frontier Light Horse Frontier Light Horse
KEMP, A Midland Mounted Rifles Midland Mounted Rifles
KEMP, A Cathcart Dist Mounted Trp WO100/280 Cathcart DMT

The Middlesex result looks the most promising, others are cavalry, that would not match my father's recollection of Arthur's parade story, where men were 'marching'. Doubt if North Lancs would be relevant for southeast Britain musters? Still others have no service numbers & are probably overseas units - so not relevant either please?