Martha Collins

[kiterunner]

Name - "official" name and what they were known as Martha Collins
Date and place of birth About 1800, Salford, Lancashire
Names of parents Not found
Date and place of baptism - if applicable Not found
Details of each of his or her marriages - if any 24 May 1821 St Mary the Virgin, Eccles, Lancashire, to William Crowther, witnesses Thomas Turner and George Grimshaw
Occupation(s) - if any Housewife
Addresses where they lived (including county if in UK) - and please list which censuses you have or haven't found him/her on (if s/he lived in census times!).
1841 - Thomson Street, Salford, Lancashire
1851 - 10 Preston Place, Salford
1861 - 28 Cook Street, Salford
1871 - 30 Cook Street, Greengate, Salford.
Date, place and cause of death 1873 Salford, not got cause
Date and place of burial. Not found
Details of will / administration of their estate - if applicable None found
Memorial inscription - if any Not found

Link to husband's thread:
William Crowther

Link to daughter's thread:
Elizabeth Crowther

[kiterunner]

There is a possible baptism on FamilySearch - Martha Collins baptised 6 Jun 1802 Manchester Cathedral, parents John and Margaret. My Martha didn't name any children John or Margaret as far as I know, but there may be some missing from my list as the first one I have is William baptised 25 Jul 1824 and that is 3 years after the parents' marriage.

[kiterunner]

Another possible one, which is in the new ancestry stuff, is Martha Collins baptised 12 Oct 1800 at Eccles , daughter of John Collins of Eccles, sadler, by Ann his wife.

But my Martha didn't name a child John or Ann as far as I know. I haven't found any children of William and Martha Crowther in between 1821 and 1824 either.

Other children of John and Ann Collins:
Mary 1 Jun 1794, Ann 19 Jun 1796, Elizabeth 8 Jul 1798, John 21 Feb 1803 (buried 12 Mar 1803), Joseph 8 Apr 1804 (buried 6 Feb 1805), William 23 Mar 1806 (poss marriage to Mary Heald 1828, then there is a likely William in Salford on the 1841 census with a son James 12), Harriet 3 Jan 1808 (poss marriage to James Rhind 1832, in 1841 in Glossop Derbyshire, in 1861 in Heaton Norris, birthplace Manchester) and Jane 1 Apr 1810 (buried 28 Apr 1810).

Tax paid 27 Mar 1783 on the apprenticeship of John Collins to Thomas Richardson of Heaton Norris, Lancashire, sadler.

Anne, wife of John Collins of Eccles buried 23 Jun 1827 Eccles St Mary, age 61.
John Collins buried 30 Jun 1841 Eccles St Mary, age 77, abode Chorlton upon Medlock. (On the 1841 census there is a John Collins in the Chorlton Union Workhouse, age 75, not born in county, no occupation stated.)

Marriage of John and Ann is 27 Jan 1792 Wilmslow, Cheshire - John Collins of Eccles, Lancashire married Ann Sutton of Wilmslow. The marriage bond gives John's occupation as sadler. Both 21 or over, bachelor and spinster, witnesses John Richardson and John Burgess.

There is another Martha Collins who married Thomas Buck 18 Dec 1826 at Eccles; I have found a likely couple on the censuses and Martha Buck is about the same age as my Martha but her birthplace is Altrincham Cheshire on some of the censuses so hopefully this means she isn't the daughter of John and Ann.

[kiterunner]

I still can't figure out whether that Martha baptised in Eccles in 1800 is the right one or not! Anyone have any ideas, please?

[Shona]

Just noticed your updates. Will have a wee look tomorrow.

[Shona]

Had a look. Martha married in Eccles which makes the Eccles birth to John and Ann the most likely candidate. There are first names in common, too.

[kiterunner]

Thanks, Shona. I still want to find something to prove it before adding them all to my tree, though! Especially with that other Martha Collins marrying at Eccles, since I'm not certain that one is the one on the censuses born Altrincham.

[Shona]

Originally Posted by kiterunner

Thanks, Shona. I still want to find something to prove it before adding them all to my tree, though! Especially with that other Martha Collins marrying at Eccles, since I'm not certain that one is the one on the censuses born Altrincham.

I ruled out the Martha who married Thomas Buck in Eccles in 1826 as being John and Ann's daughter because she was born in Altrincham and because the names of Martha Buck's children were different from the names of Ann and John's children.

Here are the births I found for Thomas and Martha:

Mary Ellen, bapt 1827, St Clement, Chorlton-cum-Hardy
Isabella, bapt 1828, Halsall
George, bapt 1829, St Clement, Chorlton-cum-Hardy
Fanny, bapt 1830, St George, Hume
Fanny, bapt 1832, Manchester Collegiate Church
Thomas, bapt 1839, Stretford

...and in the census records:

1841 census - Stretford
Thomas Buck, 35, joiner
Martha Buck, 40
Mary Buck, 13
Thomas Buck, 1

1851 census - Bowden, Cheshire
Thomas Buck, head, 48, joiner and builder,
Martha Buck, wife, 50, takes in lodgers, b Altrincham
Mary Ellen Buck, dau, 22, born Manchester
Thomas Buck, son, 11, born Stretford

[kiterunner]

Oh good, so that is the right Buck family. Looking good then - thanks, Shona!