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Old 13-02-17, 19:13
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This could be him on the 1881 census:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/75...cklabel=Return

Lancaster Gaol, Lancaster
James Parkin Prisoner Unmarried 15 Stable Boy Yorkshire Leeds.
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I haven't been able to find anything about James (1865) and his conviction as yet, so turned my attention to what happened to his father. Haven't got very far as yet, but following on from what you mentioned:

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Rumour is he left Mary Ellen around the time of Alfred's birth 1866 ish he was involved with a chap called ?? Irwin & his business went bankrupt, family law is that Edwin was responsible & fled to America
I have found the bankruptcy notice, but his partner has a different name:

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The London Gazette Sept 8th 1868

Notice is hereby given, that that the Partnership heretofore subsisting between us the undersigned Wilson Hargrave and Edwin Parkin, of Leeds, in the County of York, lately carrying on business there, in copartnership, as Bricklayers, under the style or firm of Hargrave and Parkin was, on the 1st day of February, dissolved by mutual consent. - Dated this 4th day of September 1868.
Wilson Hargrave
Edwin Parkin.
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Here's part of a post from another forum:

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Edwin Parkin Born 1840, marr. Mary Ellen Cooper of Guiseley. Builder by trade and in partnership with Geo.Irwin and son Wm.Irwin. Geo. Irwin was married to Sarah Cooper, Mary Ellen's sister. Wm. later founded the building firm of Wm.Irwin & Son,Burley Rd. Edwin Parkin left his wife and family after the birth of son Alfred Edwin Oct.1866. Rumour has it that he got into difficulties with the business and went to America. Would like to hear from anyone with 'Parkin' connections.
I see George and Sarah seem to have split up fairly early in their marriage (only together in 1861). Eventually George says he is a widower (in 1901) but Sarah was still alive at that date.

As yet I've not been able to find anything about the partnership between Edwin and George. I imagine the partnership was with George as Wm would only have been about 20 when Edwin's partnership with Wilson Hargrave was dissolved and I would imagine any other partnership would have to have been earlier, to allow time for Edwin to vanish!
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Old 14-02-17, 17:03
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This could be him on the 1881 census:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/75...cklabel=Return

Lancaster Gaol, Lancaster
James Parkin Prisoner Unmarried 15 Stable Boy Yorkshire Leeds.
Seems to be a good match, a quick look at Lancs archive & the website turns up no details though.
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I see George and Sarah seem to have split up fairly early in their marriage (only together in 1861). Eventually George says he is a widower (in 1901) but Sarah was still alive at that date.

As yet I've not been able to find anything about the partnership between Edwin and George. I imagine the partnership was with George as Wm would only have been about 20 when Edwin's partnership with Wilson Hargrave was dissolved and I would imagine any other partnership would have to have been earlier, to allow time for Edwin to vanish!
It all sounds very convoluted & murky! I'd have thought there would of been something in the papers, but can't see anything! I had a quick look at newspapers.com for Edwin, but it's a tricky site (for me!) to navigate & nothing obvious jumped out.
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I don't think newspapers.com is the best site for UK newspapers - try the British Newspaper Archive.
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I don't think newspapers.com is the best site for UK newspapers - try the British Newspaper Archive.
I was looking for Edwin in America, i couldn't see anything in the papers here.
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Nothing to do with the subject but this tickled me being as today is valentines day!
Louisa is the daughter of John Parkin & Sarah Gaines (the second wife) anyhow she married a Pickering & this is their son

Name Valen Charles Pickering
Birth Date 14 Feb 1889
Date of Registration Dec 1975
Age at Death 86
Registration district Sheffield
Inferred County South Yorkshire
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Old 19-02-17, 12:51
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Hello me again! ( i hear you all groan ;-) )
I am now turning my attention to the Coopers! Mary Ellen wife of Edwin.
I am fairly sure that the father's name on Mary Ellen's wedding certificate ... William Cooper, Farmer is incorrect! We know that on the 1871 census Mary Ellen has her niece Esther Busfield staying with her, Esther is the daughter of Eliza Cooper whom married Charles Busfield in Otley 24/5/18/58. There is a Cooper family on the 1841 census in Yeadon, born in Guiseley.
John Cooper 49
Mary Cooper 46
William Cooper 16
Grace Cooper 13
Sarah Cooper 12
Eliza Cooper 7
Mary Cooper 4

Eliza puts down John Cooper as her father clothier, though he's not listed as deceased though i think he died in 1850, the family are scattered by 1851
Sarah married George Irwin in 1859 she also lists John Cooper, farmer as her father though again not deceased. Are these inconsistencies down to the wrong family or the family telling porky pies? This family has gotten me so confused it's unreal, i have no idea where to start unraveling them.

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I know you already have these, but for reference:

Here is the marriage cert:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/22...cklabel=Return

Mary Ellen Cooper, 23, abode Headingley, father William Cooper, father. Witnesses are Charles Parkin and Sarah Dodgson.

And 1871 census:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/76...cklabel=Return
10, Tarn, Baildon, Yorkshire
Mary Ellen Parkin Head Mar 33 Worsted Weaver Yorkshire Guiseley
James J Do Son 5 Scholar Do Leeds
Esther Busfield Niece 13 Worsted Spinner Do Guiseley.

Mary in 1861 as a servant in Headingley:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/87...cklabel=Return

and in 1851 as a servant in Baildon:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/88...cklabel=Return

And this is the family you found in 1841:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/89...cklabel=Return
Mill Lane, Yeadon, Yorkshire
John Cooper 49 Clothier J Y
Mary Do 46 Y
William Do 16 Clothier J Y
Grace Do 13 Y
Sarah Do 12 Y
Eliza Do 7 Y
Mary Do 4 Y.
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