Ellen Maria Horn(E)

[Phoenix]

This is Ellen in 1881: http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?h...=&pid=21412875

She is probably 19 months rather than 19 years old.

Here she is in 1891, living at the same address in Wonersh, Surrey, aged 10: http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?h...=&pid=18406570

This might be her in 1901, though age is 5 years out: http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?h...c=&pid=5063700

Then I find this: http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?h...c=&pid=7721543

Okay, the age is out by ten years, though that might be to narrow the gap.

But whoever that Ellen is, where is she on earlier censuses? Where is her marriage?

From childhood I knew the names of my mother's great aunts, so I assume that Nell was alive until the 1930s at least, but is that her?

Can anyone find her in 1911?

[Phoenix]

Hmm. I think the 1901 entry is a red herring. There appears to be an Ellen/Nellie Niner or Ninner floating around who marries a Joseph Smith. Her father was Harry.

[kiterunner]

There is a possible marriage in 1888, and if this is the right one, then her age on the second marriage is about right and she is not your Ellen:
Marriages Dec 1888
DAWES Louis Droxford 2c 248
Gough Henry Droxford 2c 248
GROUT Emma Droxford 2c 248
HORN Ellen Mary Droxford 2c 248

[kiterunner]

This could be Ellen with her first husband in 1891 (looks likely she is his second wife):
ancestry

[Phoenix]

Thank you, Kite!

Yes, she's daughter of John. Blast.

[Phoenix]

Revising this query as I have progressed:

Marriages Jun 1905 (>99%)
HORNE Nellie Hampstead 1a 1327
SMITH William Hampstead 1a 1327


and here is the family in 1911:

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcr...310%2F0337%2F2


William Smith Head Married Male 30 1881Cellerman Wine Spirit Send Surrey
Nellie Smith Wife Married Female 31 1880 Merchant Shamley Green Surrey
Gwendoline Smith Daughter - Female 5 1906 - Croydon Surrey
Reginald Smith Son - Male 2 1909 - Croydon Surrey

[Phoenix]

And here she is in 1939:

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/reco...91F%2F007%2F17

[Phoenix]

Charles Dodd 02 Aug 1853 Male Solicitor (Retired) Single 89 1
Ethel Dodd 01 Nov 1866 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Single 89 2
Thomas A Burford 06 May 1903 Male Butchers Assistant Married 89 3
Gwendoline I Burford 22 Oct 1905 Female Housekeeper Married 89 4
The record for this person is officially closed.
Nellie Smith 21 Jun 1881 Female Barmaid Widowed 89 6
Beryl D Arnold (Smith) 18 Dec 1916 Female Bakers Manageress Single 89 7

Note that Nellie is with two of her daughters and she is living walking distance from me

[Phoenix]

Thank goodness for FMP.

Here is Nellie in 1901:

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcr...1%2F0002692522

Elizabeth Blaydon Head Single Female 35 1866 Living On Own Means Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Marion Blaydon Sister Single Female 25 1876 Living On Own Means Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Frederick Buch Visitor Single Male 31 1870 Manchester Warehouseman Islington, Middlesex, England
Frederick Hayne Visitor Single Male 31 1870 Manchester Warehouseman Camelford, Cornwall, England
Nellie Horn Servant Single Female 21 1880 General Domestic Shamley Green, Surrey, England
Mabel Tubbs Visitor Single Female 16 1885 Dressmakers Assistant Addlestone, Surrey, England

[Phoenix]

I know in retrospect that this is the right woman as Mabel Tubbs is HER visitor, not her employers': their mothers were sisters.