Finding Jessie Dodd's birth

[Merry]

I haven' got the time to look at this properly now, but if someone else wats to.....!

Saw this:

WARD, ANN mmn WARD
GRO Reference: 1882 M Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 85

and thought this might be her (the granddaughter)

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...&usePUBJs=true

note the grandfather is a joiner called John.

Connected? And if yes, to the right people or to the wrong people?

Must dash.....

Oh and there were dozens and dozens of Ward/Ward GRO records when I forgot put Salford in the district box, so have the GRO changed the way they enter up illegitimate births?


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[kiterunner]

Originally Posted by Merry

I haven' got the time to look at this properly now, but if someone else wats to.....!

Saw this:

WARD, ANN mmn WARD
GRO Reference: 1882 M Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 85

and thought this might be her (the granddaughter)

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...&usePUBJs=true

note the grandfather is a joiner called John.

Connected? And if yes, to the right people or to the wrong people?

That Annie Ward does look likely, Merry. But -

This looks like the family in 1871 but no Martha:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...nSearchResults

Nor in 1881:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...nSearchResults

Also, the older children were born in Manchester too, so Martha doesn't seem to fit.

Could John jr have become a joiner after 1881? (He is a general labourer on the 1881 census.)

Oh and there were dozens and dozens of Ward/Ward GRO records when I forgot put Salford in the district box, so have the GRO changed the way they enter up illegitimate births?

My OH's g-grandmother still has MMN showing as - for her birth reg on the GRO site.

[Merry]

Could John jr have become a joiner after 1881? (He is a general labourer on the 1881 census.)

That's a possibility.

With regard to the number of Ward/Ward births, I think it's just there are a massive number of Ward/Ward marriages! I know when I use FreeBMD to search Ward married Ward a high percentage will not have married each other, but even so - there are a lot!!

[CuriousKat]

Sorry i may of lost the though train somewhere. Are we discounting Henry Ward b Leeds 1839 d i think 1866 & Mary Glow 1829 as Martha's parents? They also had a son Rowland b 1855 which ties in with Martha's daughter having son called Rowland Davis. Though i think Henry's age might be out as he would only have been 15 when they married! Coincidentally a Samuel Dodd is witness on the marriage cert.
Or am i babbling & completely of track on what you lovely ladies are talking about?

[kiterunner]

We were just checking on whether the Henry Ward could be wrong, I think. Or if that John Ward, joiner, could be Jessie's paternal grandfather.

But yes, this does look to be Martha's family in 1861:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...nSearchResults

3 Rdge Bldgs, Leeds
Henry Ward Head Mar 22 Black Smith Yorkre Leeds
Mary Do Wife Mar 32 Do Do
Rowland Do Son 6 Do Do
Martha Do Daur 5 mo Do Do.

[Merry]

Yes, I was trying to get Martha to marry someone from the joiner's household! (preferably his son, as you suggested, Kate!)

I can't see a baptism for Ann.

[kiterunner]

No entry for 72 Peter Street in the 1883 or 1886 Slater's Directory of Manchester and Salford.

[CuriousKat]

So a dead end on Jessie's birth, i wonder if it was registered!
At least i have some new details so will go back further on Martha's side. Not sure about william & that marriage is it or isn't it them????

[Merry]

So you don't think the Salford birth is the right one? I suppose whether it is or not you may only establish that Martha was her mother!

[Merry]

Not sure about william & that marriage is it or isn't it them????

You could check out when the first Mrs Dodd died to see if that fits for date. Plus Martha's father is right (do you know his occ from the later marriage cert) and the large gap in age fits. You could try and find another couple to go with the marriage.