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Yeah, I am aware of that fact, although I'm not sure whether James was living there or in Bristol at the time. But yes, the relative I mentioned who has been trying to trace James between ~1855 and 1871 thinks that his record must have been one of those destroyed, which is a shame as I would like to try to confirm who his first wife was.
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I've removed Elizabeth Marten (unconfirmed) as James' first wife, as it now seems likely she was not. Back to square one!
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James' baptism certificate is now available on Ancestry. (Does that say 'Illegitimate' under father's profession?)
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Yes, it does.
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Did you get the 1862 death cert for Elizabeth Brown?
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No, not yet Merry.
My current theory is: Births Dec 1861 BROWN John Edwin Clifton 6a 135 Deaths Mar 1863 BROWN John Edward Clifton 6a 107 ...are the same child, James' son with his first wife. The details for these on FamilySearch list James and Elizabeth Brown as the parents. He later had a son by the same name with his second wife, who is: Births Jun 1867 Brown John Edward Clifton 6a 153 I have a scan of John Edward's birth certificate sent by a relative. His parents were James and James' second wife, Emma Elizabeth Cowley. James' marriage certificate to Emma (April 22nd 1866) does list him as a widower (and mason) and her as a spinster. The father's name is given as William Brown, but we can be fairly sure he was a bastard. Between 1863 (the first John Edward's death) and 1867 (the year after James re-married) there are four deaths for an Elizabeth Brown in the Clifton district: Deaths Mar 1863 BROWN Elizabeth Clifton 6a 121 Deaths Jun 1863 Brown Elizabeth Clifton 6a 93 Deaths Mar 1864 BROWN Elizabeth Bonbonous Clifton 6a 66 Deaths Dec 1865 Brown Elizabeth Clifton 6a 61 This is of course assuming that Elizabeth was her real / first name, and she died in the Clifton area. However, chances are that one of these is James' first wife.
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Deaths Mar 1863
BROWN Elizabeth Clifton 6a 121 AGED 83 Deaths Jun 1863 Brown Elizabeth Clifton 6a 93 AGED 16 Deaths Mar 1864 BROWN Elizabeth Bonbonous Clifton 6a 66 AGED 30 Deaths Dec 1865 Brown Elizabeth Clifton 6a 61 AGED 6 I'm sure I looked at Elizabeth Bonbonous before.......
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Yes I saw this on an Ancestry tree, so don't know how correct it is:
Elizabeth Bonbonus Simonds Birth:* 21 Aug 1832 - Hampshire, England Death:* Jan 1864 - Clifton, Gloucestershire, England Marriage:* 11 Apr 1861 - Stoke Bishop, Gloucestershire, England Spouse:* Samuel Brown So, wrong husband and wrong maiden name, so not looking good.
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The 1861 marriage for that couple has her middle name spelled Boubonous
* in the GRO index. So, we can rule out all the Clifton deaths unless he married a 16 year old or a pensioner!
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