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That marriage certainly looks like his sister, doesn't it? Why can't I find her on the 1861 census?
I think that death looks promising too. I don't really want to buy another death certificate at the moment - have bought too many certs just recently. Would it give an age?
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That 1864 death is looking hopeful as then Eliza remarried:
Marriages Sep 1867 Russell Joseph Newent 6a 416 Williams Eliza Newent 6a 416 and on the 1871 census we have: Worcestershire, Staunton: Eliza Russell head wid (I think) 47 gloveress b Gloucestershire Upleadon (I think) Thomas Russell son unm 25 farm (?) labourer, b same as mum Margarett Russell dau unm 13 gloveress b Worcestershire Redmarley William Bartless, visitor unm 35 farm labourer b Worcestershire Staunton About three hours ago I saw an Anne Hemms (or something similar) marrying in Newent District between 1841 and 1851 and found her in 1851 and she was born in Upleadon too.
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Yes, the death cert would give an age and an informant.
Here's the death of Eliza's second husband: Deaths Mar 1869 Russell Joseph 38 Newent 6a 184
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1881 census Worcestershire Staunton
Eliza Russell wid 58 b Glou Upleadon Thomer Williams son unm 37 b Worc Colwell ?? (OK so different place to 1871, but his name is Williams now!!!) Rose Dyer boarder 8 b Worcestershire somewhere-or-other!
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Oh Merry you are a genius! Well done.
So Margaret's surname is recorded under mother's new name, but Thomas must be her second husband's son.
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Oooh, but Thomas Williams is older than the marriage to William Williams, isn't he?? ! lol
So, maybe he was really an Emms (*slight swearing* lol)
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Good point, he cound be, but then why is he Williams in 1881?
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So, you think he might be an illegitimate son then?
Interesting that they use the Williams surname, isn't it?
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Going to Upleaden, this is the nearest I can find at the mo....a brother for Eliza?
WILLIAM HEMS Pedigree Male -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: 01 FEB 1818 Upleadon, Gloucester, England -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: JOHN HEMS Family Mother: ELIZABETH -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
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Thing is, we never know if the enumerator got his wires crossed when taking the info. It must have been easy to make an assumption about a surname and get it wrong. Any ideas on what his birthplace actually is?
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