Birth Record

[kiterunner]

Hmm, looking at the 1861 census again, there are two Hannah Tofts about the same age born Youlgreave, the one in Lancashire with the Staley family, and one in Youlgreave with father Francis (perhaps the same family as that 1871 one in post #5, perhaps not, because...) Then in 1851 there are two Hannahs about the same age, both with parents called Francis and Rachel! Both fathers have the same occupation (lead miner) but the mothers have different occupations and there are different sets of brothers and sisters! Then in 1841 I can only see one Hannah Toft of the right age in Youlgreave but there are indeed two couples called Francis and Rachel, so the other Hannah must have been born fairly soon after the census was taken.

So it is a right muddle! I will have a go at working out where the Staleys fit in and hopefully they will only be closely related to one of the Francis and Rachel couples, but if they are related to both, we may have to wait till that birth certificate arrives to unravel it...

[kiterunner]

Okay, looks like the two Francis and Rachel marriages are as follows:
Jan-Mar 1838 Francis Toft / Rachel Staley
Apr-Jun 1838 Francis Toft / Rachel Wain.

The first of these couples must be your Hannah's parents because of the Staley family on the 1861 census. But that doesn't help with which couple they are on the censuses. I need to go back and see which siblings which Hannah has.

[kiterunner]

Okay, yes, looking at the 1851 and 1861 censuses, in 1861 the Hannah with siblings Jane, Matthew and Francis is at home and so this suggests that your Hannah is the one with siblings Lucy, James and Smith. But this doesn't help with which Hannah is with father Francis and son Edwin in 1871 as no siblings are with them.

[kiterunner]

Ah, here is your Hannah's family in 1871, in Oldham, so the Hannah in Youlgreave in 1871 definitely isn't yours:
1871 census

Francis Taft Head Mar 58 Stone Mason Derbyshire Younggreave
Rachael Do Wife Mar 53 Do Do
Lucy Do Daug Unm 26 Servant Do Do
James Do Son Unm 24 Coachman Do Do
Smith Do Son Unm 20 Stone Mason Do Do
Betsey Do Daug Unm 18 Speed Tenter Cotton Mill Do Do
Benjn Do Son 14 Cotton Piecer Do Do
William A Do Son 10 Scholar Do Do
Frank Do Son 5 Do Do Do
Edna Do Daughter 3 Lancs Lees
Samuel Staley Nephew Unm 17 Cardroom hand Do Manchester

(Their surname is given as Taft which is why I didn't spot them before.) But Hannah and your Edna aren't with them.

[kiterunner]

I think this is Edna with her mother, stepfather etc in 1871:
1871 census

Bales Yard over Coachhouse, Fairfield, Derbyshire
John Richards Head Mar 37 Labourer General and Lodging House Keeper Derbyshire Taddington
Hannah Do Wife Mar 31 Do Youlgreave
Edna Do Daur 10 Scholar Do Buxton
John Do Son 7 Do Do Do
Harriett Do Daur 5 Do Do Do
Hannah Do Daur 2 Do Do
and some lodgers.

and this is the link to the 1881 census for the family:
1881 census

I haven't found John and Hannah's marriage yet to confirm it though.

[kiterunner]

Ah, the youngest two Richards children on the 1881 census are born Oldham - Ann 4 and Frank 2 - so their births are on Lancashire BMD and mother's maiden name is Toft, which confirms that this is the right family.

[kiterunner]

There is a likely John Richards / Hannah Toft marriage Oct-Dec 1861 Sheffield. I never thought of looking there!

[Zoemcdougall]

Kate thankyou for your help again. Can I just clarify that posts 3, 14, 15, are relating to my family but not the family in post 5.


Hopefully I have got this right, Edna Toft born abt 1860 Derbyshire mother Hannah Toft, that Edna was illigimate, (waiting for birth cert)

Hannah's Parents Francis Toft & Staveley. & is my post on the 1851 census on post 9 correct.

[kiterunner]

Originally Posted by Zoemcdougall

Kate thankyou for your help again. Can I just clarify that posts 3, 14, 15, are relating to my family but not the family in post 5.

Yes.

Hopefully I have got this right, Edna Toft born abt 1860 Derbyshire mother Hannah Toft, that Edna was illigimate, (waiting for birth cert)

Yes.

Hannah's Parents Francis Toft & Staveley.

Her parents are Francis Toft and his wife Rachel, maiden name Staley.

& is my post on the 1851 census on post 9 correct.

Yes.