At a loss

[Ammanda Schutz]

Unfortunately I don't know the town, Julie. That is one reason I long to find his death.
Elizabeth, those are a couple of the marriages for the daughters but I do not have certs.
I fear his death cannot be found and any connection to his parents in Germany is lost to me.
Is it odd that a death so late in the 1800's would not be registered?

[Merry]

The death may have been registered but the entry was not transfered to the GRO

Or, he may have died in a place where he wasn't known and so his name was not registered (this happened a lot in the days people didn't have anything on their person to identfy them)

Or, he was registered with completely the wrong name

Or, he may have left the country

Or, ........something else!

Sadly, even if you do find a death cert for him, if his death took place in England/Wales the cert won't tell you anything about where he was born etc etc.

[Merry]

You said:

The surviving son I have not found in 1881.

Have you found a death for the son who didn't survive? Which is the surviving one?

[Mary from Italy]

I was just wondering that. The father and son may have been together in 1881.

[Ammanda Schutz]

They had two sons named Henry, both alive at the same time. I am told this is a German thing! Henry (Harry) died at Bristol in 1876 and the other, Henry William, born 1864 does not reappear after 1871. I don't know what happened to him. He would have been 17 in 1881 so it is possible that father and son were together at some other location.
Jacob was a sugar baker and worked at the sugar refinery at Bristol. The same company owned a refinery at Whitechapel. Originally, Jacob transferred from the one in London to Bristol after the refinery was rebuilt. The first one burned.
Now you have me wondering about a possible move back to London, Merrry Mary.
Still, that wouldn't explain how the girls ended up in a workhouse and a home for girls. I would think he would at least take the youngest with him.
Going to check the London records again.

[ElizabethHerts]

On FMP passenger lists for people leaving the UK there are lots of Schutzes.

[Ammanda Schutz]

Yes, you can drown in the Schutz name in the US. If he had gone anywhere it would have been NSW but I doubt it. No record of him there and no family memory either.

[Olde Crone]

It would have been quite unusual for a widower to keep his children with him unless one of them was old enough to look after all the others. Just because the children were in an orphanage doesn't mean they were orphans, only that one parent had died and the other parent either couldn't support them or couldn't look after them.

OC

[Ammanda Schutz]

Thanks, OC. I guess I can't apply the standard practices of today to what happened more than 130 years ago. The two oldest girls would have been able to look after the younger ones but perhaps the family needed the income they earned rather than the child care.

[Ammanda Schutz]

I just received the death cert for Eliza Schutz. She died Feb 23, 1877 at 26 Thomas St, St. George, Clifton Gloucestershire.
Jacob was present at her death. Therefore he was still alive as of Feb 1877. I cannot find him after that date.