Names changed by deed poll on M/Cert
 

Any suggestions how to find the name of a bride who changed her name by deed poll prior to the marriage? The marriage took place in South Yorks in May 1969

Bride's details are Joyce Mary Turner (name changed by deed poll), aged 45, occ Music Teacher. Father Samuel Crane, occ Baker (deceased).


I can find no trace of a record for Joyce Mary Crane that comes close in the bmd so I suspect the fathers details may not be correct.


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Glen

How are you discounting the various Joyce Crane births?

OC

I'm having a "how the heck" moment, only three results when I searched before, now there are loads.

Is she definitely deceased, Glen?

Have you found either of them in 1939?

OC

Couldn't her first names have been changed in the deed poll too?

By the way, that certificate gives her father's name as Robert Samuel Crane.

And she is a widow.

Odd that they both changed their names. I can see why she might, but not why he might!

OC

I made the mistake of not looking at the image you posted!

So, Robert Samuel Crane 1904-1961?

Lincoln isn't in Yorkshire! lol

Might not be that one as he seems to be a shunter in 1939.

No, but she was living in South Yorkshire (Doncaster) at the time of the marriage.

Robert Samuel Crane could be the one who married Beatrice C Bennett Apr-Jun 1926 Sheffield.

If you can get her exact dob (perhaps from her death registration) it might help. Or if you can get a look at the electoral register entries for her address from the marriage cert to see who else was living there.

The groom (my father), was registered as James Townsend though he was illegitimate. His mother was born Annie Turner.


When James died in 1984 the death was registered by his brother, an electoral roll from a year or two earlier gave the names as shown on the marriage cert at an address in Bircotes, S Yorks. Given his reputation for the ladies I don't know if he was widowed by the time of his death or if she had packed her bags and left.

Totally confused now, I have a couple of pics from the day and one is noted as having a young man, name unknown as "new stepson to Jim".



The only other thing I can add is coming forwards to the 1980's when Jim Turner/Townsend died, his death cert is in the name of Turner/aka Jim Townsend and the death was registered by his brother. No known probate and no trace of Joyce.

I've just realised that although Joyce's address on the marriage certificate is Doncaster, the actual village where she lived - Harworth - is in Nottinghamshire, so the electoral roll may be at Notts Archives. I could probably have a look next week and see if anything comes up.

Also, if only results from the phone books still came up in a general search on ancestry, we might be able to find out who (if anyone) was listed at her address around 1969, but the only way to search the phone books now seems to be to search that particular database on its own, and then it forces you to enter a surname (though at least the country / county selection actually works now.) And of course we don't know what her surname was before she changed it!

I've had a look at the electoral registers for 1 York Road, Harworth, and James and Joyce M Turner were listed there from 1969 to 1972 with nobody else. Glen, I will PM you the names of the people who were there before and after the Turners but I doubt it will help.

Could your grandmother have married a Mr Townsend at some point? Would explain the name change. Not that that explains why he was a new stepson, unless Mum married Jim shortly before the wedding.

Also is there any chance of finding the marriage licence? It might explain things

Toni, I believe the groom's surname was Townsend and he changed it to Turner before the marriage, and the bride's surname was unknown and she also changed her name to Turner before the marriage (most likely because she and Jim were living together). Surely the boy was Jim's new stepson because he was the bride's son from her previous marriage.

The surname for Robert Samuel and Joyce Mary isn't Crane, it's Crome!

1939 Register:

7 Waterslack Road , Worksop R.D., Nottinghamshire

Robert S Crome 05 Aug 1887 Colliery Boiler Fireman Heavy Worker Married
Ethel M Crome 26 Oct 1891 Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Ronald W B Crome 19 Jun 1913 Male Colliery Screen Hand Heavy Worker Single
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record. <<<< Joyce?

Marriages Mar 1913 (>99%)
Crome Robert S Mill (sic) Worksop 7b 92
Hill Ethel M Crome Worksop 7b 92

Children:

Births Sep 1913 (>99%)
Crome Ronald W B Hill Worksop 7b 81

Births Dec 1923 (>99%)
Crome Joyce M Hill Worksop 7b 79

1911 Census
52 Marsland Street Church Army Labour House, Stockport, Cheshire (many at this address, including:)

Robert Samuel Crome 25 single baker b Hackney London

(his place of birth might not be accurate, as I couldn't find any other record connecting him with Hackney).

Deaths Dec 1950 (>99%)

Crome Robert S 65 Worksop 3c 454

Annoyingly, as yet, I haven't found a definite first marriage for Joyce.

Think I've found her marriage now. I won't post the groom's details in case he is still living but her name has been recorded as Joyce M Crowe on FreeBMD and the date Q3 1942 Worksop District.

If you then search the new surname with mmn Crome, you will find one child (a boy, b 1945) who is presumably the 'new stepson' you mentioned in an earlier post.

Of course Joyce said she was a widow in 1969, so her first husband should be dec'd…………..

I've just realised - look at the name of the first witness at the 1969 marriage :D

Well done, Merry!

So, you don't actually know she is dec'd?

To save me having to go back and delete all refs from this thread, I'd better find a death reg!


I had thought from the quote above that you were saying Joyce and Jim/James were still together on the e-rolls a couple of years before he died in 1984, but that doesn't seem to be the case (on the face of it anyway!)


Looks like Joyce remarried using her birth name:

Marriages Dec 1978 (>99%)
BRIDGETT ERNEST A CRONE WORKSOP 8 1029
CROME JOYCE M BRIDGETT WORKSOP 8 1029

Erolls:

Name: Joyce M Bridgett
Birth Date: 1921-1923
Residence Date: 2010
Address: 51 Westmorland House, Cumberland Close, Bircotes, DN11 8BY
Residence Place: Doncaster, South Yorkshire, England

Published in Worksop Guardian on June 14, 2013 (this is just the first bit, see the link below for the full notice)

Read more at: http://announcements.johnstonpress.c...&pid=180943954

Don't know why Ernest A Bridgett is called Bill, but it's obviously the right Joyce.


Name: Ernest Arthur Bridgett
Death Age: 79
Birth Date: 13 Apr 1920
Registration Date: Feb 2000
Registration district: Worksop
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Register Number: 11A
District and Subdistrict: 6911B

Wow, well done all. Another part of my tree jammed on the boundaries of different counties and post codes. If I can clear the brain fog that's hit me recently then it will start to make sense :D

lol :D

Great research.......Well done Merry!!

Merry

Sorry for dragging an old thread back to life

I'm curious where the eroll results are from (about 3 posts up).

Name: Joyce M Bridgett
Birth Date: 1921-1923
Residence Date: 2010
Address: 51 Westmorland House, Cumberland Close, Bircotes, DN11 8BY
Residence Place: Doncaster, South Yorkshire, England


The reason I ask is that when James Turner died in 1984 his address at death was 47 Westmoreland House, Bircotes. Previously (1969-1972) Joyce and James were in Harworth just a mile away. I know they must have split between 1972 & 1978 but can't be sure when. Still trying to pin down Jim post 1972.

That's from Ancestry.

There's now another, earlier, listing for her on Ancestry:

Name: MS Joyce M Bridgett
Birth Date: 1921-1923
Residence Date: 2003-2007
Address: 12 Cumberland House, Cumberland Close, Bircotes, DN11 8BX
Residence Place: Doncaster, South Yorkshire, England

This record set covers 2003-2010.

Thanks.

I think I've got a couple more pieces of the puzzle now but the two nearest local history libraries/archives are both closed, one for a dangerous building and one due to flooding.
Just about my luck recently, my sister has found some old letters but she's not very well and I've been diagnosed with life limiting health issues, we need the records to be locked away like a hole in the head right now.

Very sorry to hear that, Glen. Sending you lots of positive thoughts.