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Nell 28-09-10 19:25

Thomas Williams abt 1837-before 1901
 
Thomas Williams born abt 1837/8, Pendoylan (sometimes recorded as Pendilum), Glamorgan, Wales
no baptism found

1841
not found

1851
not found

1861
4 Pendoylan Village
Thomas Williams 62 ag lab b. Pendoylan
Ann wife 59 b Llantrisant
Ann daur unm. 32 basket maker (blind from the age of 5)
Thomas Williams son unm. 29 ag lab b Pendoylan
Rachel dau unm 22
James Williams, grandson 1

Marriage: 28 Sep 1863, Llangynwyd, to Jennet Lloyd

1871
22 Duffryn Row, Cwmdu, Glam
Thomas Williams 35 engine driver b Pendilum
Janet Williams [shd be Jennet] 27 wife b Llangynwyd, Glam
Thomas Williams 6 son b Llangynwyd scholar
Griffith Williams 2 son b Llangynwyd
Margaret Ann Williams 6 months daur b Llangynwyd
Margaret Williams 44 unm. visitor b Pendilum [Thomas' sister]

1881
22 Duffryn Row, Cwmdu, Glamorgan
Thomas Williams 43 engine driver b Maesteg [sic]
Janet Williams wife 38 b Maesteg
Thomas Williams son 15 coal miner
Griffith Williams 13 son scholar
Eliza Mary Williams daur 8 scholar
Amelia Williams daur 5 scholar
Isaiah [mistranscribed as Assia!] son 3 scholar
Daniel E. Williams son 1

1891 1891
22 Duffryn Row [4 rooms]
Thomas Williams 54 engineer
Jenet wife 48
Thomas son 25 coal miner
Amelia daur 14
Esiah [sic] 13 coal miner
David E. son 11
Evan T. son 9
Margaret A. daur 7
Evans Young boarder 25 coal miner

no death found as too many Thomas Williamses!

Link to x gt grandmother: http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/f...ead.php?t=5168

ElizabethHerts 28-09-10 20:36

Nell, is this the same place? It is the only one I could find.

Name: Thomas Williams
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 10 Nov 1833
Baptism/Christening Place: PENDEULWYN,GLAMORGAN,WALES
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Thomas Williams
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Anne
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C05728-1
System Origin: Wales-ODM
Source Film Number: 104902
Reference Number:
Collection: Wales Births and Baptisms, 1541-1907

ElizabethHerts 28-09-10 21:02

Possibly Thomas' parents in 1851:

WILLIAM, Thomas Head Married M 52 1799 Ag Lab Pendoylan Glamorganshire
WILLIAM, Anne Wife Married F 49 1802 Ag Lab's Wife Pentyrch
Glamorganshire
WILLIAM, Evan Son M 9 1842 Scholar Pendoylan Glamorganshire
THOMAS, Elizabeth Mother-In-Law Widow F 80 1771 Annuitant Pendoylan Glamorganshire

RG number: HO107 Piece: 2456 Folio: 194 Page: 10

Address: Castell Pentwyn, Pendoylon Glamorganshire

kiterunner 28-09-10 22:21

Wikipedia and FamilySearch Record Search say that Pendeulwyn is the Welsh name for Pendoylan, so that baptism looks likely. Other baptisms of the same parents (or at least, parents of the same name in the same place)!
John 25 Aug 1821, died 2 Sep 1821
Margaret 7 Sep 1822
Mary 14 Jul 1824
Anne 24 Jul 1826
Mary 17 Aug 1834
Evan 10 Apr 1842

kiterunner 28-09-10 22:24

Rachel Williams (Thomas's sister) is a visitor with a William Thomas age 42 born Llantrisant on the 1851 census (ref HO107 Piece 2456 Folio 108 Page 9). William could be Ann's brother or nephew?

kiterunner 28-09-10 22:29

And this is the family in 1841
(HO107 Piece 1416 Book 19 Civil Parish Pendoylen County Glamorgan ED 9 Folio 6 Page 4)
Late John Lewis' house, Pendoylen
Thomas William 35 Ag Lab Yes
Anne Do 35 Y
Anne Do 12 Y
Thomas Do 9 Y
Mary Do 7 Y
John Do 5 Y
Rachel Do 2 Y
Elizabeth Webb 2 Y

kiterunner 28-09-10 22:32

And a likely for Thomas in 1851 farm servant at Greendown Farm, Bonvilstone, Glamorgan, age 18 born Pendoylan. Ref HO107 Piece 2456 Folio 94 Page 14.

kiterunner 28-09-10 22:44

Now I'm confused, because on the 1851 census there is a Mary William age 17 born Pendoylan who is granddaughter to William Day age 83 born Gloucestershire. William's wife is Mary age 65 born Glamorganshire (place name I can't read). I thought Anne's maiden name was Thomas, because of Elizabeth Thomas mother in law who is with Thomas sr and Anne on the 1851, so who's William Day? Is it possible he's Thomas sr's father and they used that patronymic system when Thomas sr was born (around 1799), even though William Day was English? So that Thomas was named Thomas William because his father was William?

(or is it a different Mary?)

Nell 29-09-10 20:16

Wow

KiteRunner and Elizabeth - thank you so much for your finds. I'm going to digest them now - and see if I can solve the puzzle KR has uncovered. (Why is it that one discovery always leads to another problem?) !


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