William Martin (FFMFF)
 

Name - "official" name and what they were known as
William Martin

Date and place of birth
abt 1816, Sussex, possibly Brighthelmstone (Brighton),possibly not

Names of parents
not known

Date and place of baptism - if applicable
not known

Details of each of his or her marriages - if any
abt 1838, married to Elizabeth Berwick, not known where.

Occupation(s) - if any
1841 - carpenter (census and son's birth cert)

Addresses where they lived (including county if in UK) - and please list which censuses you have or haven't found him/her on (if s/he lived in census times!).

1841 - Hanover St, Brighton, with wife Elizabeth, sons William and Robert.

Date, place and cause of death
before 1851 in Brighton.

Date and place of burial.
not known

Details of will / administration of their estate - if applicable
none known

Memorial inscription - if any

Over a year and a half has passed and I have still not been able to locate a marriage for William Martin and Elizabeth Berwick, but recently I joined the Sussex Family History Group.

Access to their on-line database has shown me that a familysearch.org entry for William Martin, baptised in BUXTED, Sussex on 14 Jul 1839, is my William Martin junior.

Father William Martin, carpenter, abode Brighton. So one step closer. I think Elizabeth Berwick's father Robert and his siblings were baptised in Buxted, while Elizabeth was baptised at Rotherfield.

I still need to find the marriage to find out who William's parents were and to confirm that Elizabeth's parents were Robert and Elizabeth Berwick.

In another year and a half maybe I will find out.

Diane

If they got married before the start of civil registration, the marriage probably won't tell you who their parents were anyway.

Don't say that !! I am hopeful they got married between Sep 1837 and Sep 1839.
If not, then maybe the witnesses might give some clues.

I am currently proceeding on an assumption, building a temporary tree, with Robert Berwick of Buxted as the father-in-law of William Martin, just seeing where the census entries etc, might take me. Not sure where I am going on the Martin side yet.

Diane, have you seen this?

http://www.theweald.org/area.asp?Pid...1&t=1&y=11&p=0

Elizabeth Berwick Birth 1806 Richard Berwick Mary Berwick [Manser] Rotherfield Parish Registers

Is this the one you were thinking of?

http://www.theweald.org/area.asp?Pid...1&t=2&y=11&p=0

Elizabeth Berwick Christening 4th Mar 1810 St. Denys Church Robert Berwick, farmer Elizabeth Berwick [Taylor] Rotherfield Parish Registers

To complicate matters, there is another couple called William and Elizabeth Martin:

Samuel Martin Birth 10th Jan 1847 William Martin Elizabeth Martin [Cook] Rotherfield Parish Registers

http://www.theweald.org/area.asp?PId...1&t=1&y=12&p=6

Hi Elizabeth,

I think there are three Elizabeth Berwicks born in the early 1800s, all cousins !

1. The daughter of Robert and Elizabeth, baptised at Rotherfield, in 1809. Married before 1841 census.

2. The daughter of RIchard and Mary baptised at Buxted in 1806. I think she is at Tarring Neville in 1841 and later married John Geering and lived in Sompting. Had illegit daughter Ellen Berwick at Mayfield in 1838

3. The daughter of William and Susanna baptised in 1806. In 1841 is a servant to Rosa Place in Shere Surrey, remained with Rosa Place until 1881 census. In 1881 census Mary Anne Berwick slightly younger, so I assume her sister, is also in the household.

Robert, Richard and William were all brothers, sons of Thomas Berwick.

Don't confuse me with more Martins - I have not even started with them yet. I am just waiting to see if the Berwicks get tangled up with my husbands TANNERs etc who also lived in Buxted - now that would tangle up our family trees. So far, his LANGLEYS and my COLLISs lived in the same small Berkshire town, but stayed untangled.

What happened to Elizabeth after William's death?

Elizabeth and her sons Robert and James appear in the 1851 census in the slightly less affulent address of 10 Kew St Brighton, but thereafter I don't know.

By 1861 Robert was married and living in Islington with his wife and son. James I am unsure about.

Either she remarried -

Marriages Sep 1854
Martin Elizabeth Steyning 2b 352

Marriages Dec 1855
MARTIN Elizabeth Brighton 2b 384

or died

Deaths Mar 1854
Martin Elizabeth Brighton 2b 127

Deaths Dec 1854
Martin Elizabeth Brighton 2b 105

Deaths Jun 1856
Martin Elizabeth Brighton 2b 109

Deaths Sep 1858
Martin Elizabeth Brighton 2b 101



I haven't had much luck finding out, but will give it another try

Di