Ann ?
 

Name - "official" name and what they were known as
ANN HARRIS
Date and place of birth
1842 IN LLANGYNDEIRN, CARMARTHEN, WALES

Names of parents
David Harris

Date and place of baptism - if applicable
NOT KNOWN

Details of each of his or her marriages - if any
TO JOHN JONES BORN C. 1819 LIVERPOOL, LANCASHIRE
23rd October 1863 at the Parish Church, Merthyr Tydfil.

Occupation(s) - if any

Addresses where they lived (including county if in UK) - and please list which censuses you have or haven't found him/her on.
1851 Llanddarog, Wales (Visitor) (H0107, 2472 8 p. 9)
1871 25 MOUNT PLEASANT ST. MERTHYR TYDFIL (RG10 5399 113 P.3)
1881 25 MOUNT PLEASANT ST. MERTHYR TYDFIL (RG11 5316 28 P.5)

Date, place and cause of death
Date and place of burial / cremation.
Details of will / administration of their estate - if applicable
Memorial inscription - if any

I don't know which of Ann's children is your ancestor, but obviously you need one of the birth certs to get her maiden surname. I can see there's only one fit for Grace, so it might be safest to get that one:

Births Dec 1871
Jones Grace Merthyr T. 11a 392

I think you are right Merry - it is Catherine who is the direct line (of my son in law.......this is for his Crimbo prezzie). That is the only way forward, because it is impossible otherwise


I have already spent a fortune on this tree which is worrying because it means that I shall have to spend the same amount on my daughter;(

Tell your daughter the certs for her husband cost £3.50 each and you can get her a cheaper pressie! lol

Sneaky!!!! I like it

Don't you just hate it when that happens - looked for Ann under her newly discovered maiden name of Harris in 1851 and there she was.........a flipping visitor!!! No help with parents there then.

It may be purely coincedence, but the farm that she is visiting has several Jones working there - so am going to see if they are connected to her future husband

lol!

Best fit marriage?

Marriages Dec 1863
Harris Ann Merthyr T 11a 532
Jones John Merthyr T 11a 532
Lewis Henry Merthyr T 11a 532
Lewis Mary Merthyr T 11a 532

I thought that Merry, but then wondered about the one in March 1860. The reason I am currently favouring this one is that their first child was born in 1863 - foolishly I am assuming that they waited until marriage before having a child!!!!

I am searching and searching in 1861 for either of them, but am having no luck.

John Jones was considerably older than Ann - and this was his second marriage; his previous wife as also called Ann, and he had three children with her, the last being born in1857.........ah, hang on a minute, will be back

Yes, as I thought, that child is unconfirmed so Ann the first could have died anytime in the late 1850s.

Whatever, Ann the second and John must be around somewhere in 1861 - will keep looking because it will tell me for certain which marriage is the right one.

Have you found any of the first set of children in 1861?