Mary Fitzpatrick
 

Name - "official" name and what they were known as
Mary Fitzpatrick.

Date and place of birth
Abt 1828, Ireland

Names of parents
James Fitzpatrick

Date and place of baptism - if applicable
non known

Details of each of his or her marriages - if any
21 Jun 1849 at Manchester Registry Office to James Arnold, widower

Occupation(s) - if any
housewife

Addresses where they lived (including county if in UK) - and please list which censuses you have or haven't found him/her on (if s/he lived in census times!).

30 March 1851 - 61 Hanover St Manchester
ARNOLD James 37 fustian cutter, born Ireland
ARNOLD Mary 22 born Ireland
ARNOLD James 5 born Manchester
Daughter Catherine was born 3 months (3 Jun) after census at this address

Date, place and cause of death
not known

You could get Catherine's birth certificate to find out Mary's maiden name.

oh, Kite,

I think I have it - I do - its says Mary Arnold formerly FITZPATRICK.

Of course, because I knew where they lived at her birth, which matches the census.

Not much help though, ARNOLD and FITZPATRICK born in Ireland.

Can't find a marriage before James Jnr's birth, in Manchester, so maybe they married in Ireland and came over after the 1841 census ?

Di

Di, would you like me to change the thread title to Mary Fitzpatrick?

Do you know for sure that Mary was James jnr's mother? There is a marriage between James Arnold and Mary Fitzpatrick Apr-Jun 1849 Manchester, vol 20, p 730; Lancashire BMD lists it as Manchester Register Office or Registrar Attended.

Hi Kite

yes you could change the title for me that would be great.
Well, no I don't know for sure about James Jnr's mother. I saw that marriage, but discounted it as too late. Maybe he did have a different mother. more investigation needed I think.

The only other scrap I know is that Catherine's sister Mary Arnold, aged 15 is with Catherine and her husband Christopher Eccles in the 1871 census. No James and Mary Arnold found. I think James Arnold Jnr is with his wife Mary and his m-i-l Elizabeth Shannon n Chadderton.

Di

By date (age) and location, its possible that Mary Arnold died Jun Q 1861 Manchester and James Arnold died Mar Q 1855.

The IGI is showing a James Arnold born to James and Martha baptised 1843, but that's in Liverpool.

Will be doing some more searching later tonight

Di

Have now got James Arnold and Mary Fitzpatrick's marriage certificate, which gives a little more info, so I have amended the original post.

Catherine Arnold's sister born after her, was Margaret Arnold (mmn Fitzpatrick) not Mary as transcribed in the 1871 census, born in Manchester in the March Q of 1853.

Some searching in Irish online records give me a baptism in Bandon, Cork and Ross for Mary Fitzpatrick daughter of James and Catherine Fitzpatrick on 30 Nov 1828. Sponsors Jerh Cowhig and Margaret Coghlan.

Now to figure out how to prove they are the correct family.

This looks like them in 1851 at 32 Back Hanover Street, Manchester:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti..._A008144-00284
James Fitzpatrick Head Mar 50 Fustian Cutter Ireland
Catharine Do Wife Mar 48 Laundress Do.

And this could be them on the 1841 census, but no Mary unless she is "Margt" (that's what it looks like to me, anyway):
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...=successSource

High St, Ancoats, Manchester
James Fitzpatric 40 Cotton I
Cathn Do 35 Do I
Ann Do 15 Do Y
Margt Do 12 Do Y
Jno Do 10 Y
Isabella Do 8 Y
Cathn Do 6 Y
James Do 4 Y
William Do 2 Y.