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Sue at the seaside 17-09-10 15:13

Wilhelmina Coralie Versigny FFMM
 
Name - "official" name and what they were known as
Wilhelmina Coralie, or Coralie Wilhelmina, or Coraly, or possibly Minie, sometimes Adrienne, Surnames are Versigny, Logsdon and Scriven
I think she has signed as witness at 2 of her children's marriages lovely handwriting but illegible to me, she has signed in a French looking name, suggesting that she never actually married and was using her maiden name on a legal document, but used slightly different names on both. When I've worked out how to post a link to them I'll add them here.
Date and place of birth
abt 1935 Paris France
Names of parents
Napoleon Versigny and Marie Adrienne Deseaux
Date and place of baptism - if applicable
No idea, ]
Details of each of his or her marriages - if any
lived as the wife of James Logsdon, first child born 1855, and also lived as wife of William Scriven from about 1881. No marriages found.
Occupation(s) - if any
None listed
Addresses where they lived (including county if in UK) - and please list which censuses you have or haven't found him/her on.

1841- Not in the country
1849- Arrived in London with her father
1851-
1861- 25 Lambeth St, Whitechapel, Middlesex
1871- 58 Quaker St, Christchurch Spitalfields, London
1881- 63 Victoria Street, West Ham, Essex
1891- 25 Regents Row, Shoreditch, London
1901- 1 Whitney Rd, Leyton, Essex
1911- 14 Amberley Road, Leyton, Essex
1917- 29 Darnley Road, Hackney (Death cert)


Date, place and cause of death
22nd April 1917 Hackney Infirmary, Broken thigh from accidental fall at home. Inquest held 25th April 1917

Date and place of burial / cremation.
Details of will / administration of their estate - if applicable
Memorial inscription - if any

This lady was a real puzzle to me, thank you for all the help/inspiration recieved

Sue at the seaside 17-09-10 19:23

I cant get on with posting links and can't manage photobucket!!! so if anyone feels they could have a look at her signature for me the 2 weddings where she signed the register as a witness are listed below

Napoleon James Logsdon to Elizabeth Webb 1875
and
Annie Coraly Logsdon to Alfred Joseph Norton in 1877

Thanks for at least reading this.

Sue

kiterunner 17-09-10 19:43

The witness's name on Napoleon's marriage cert looks like Wilhelmina Coralie Versigny De Vere, and the witness's name on Annie's marriage cert is Coraly Adrienne Versigny Logsdon. The word Versigny looks identical on the two signatures but Coralie is spelt differently!

Sue at the seaside 18-09-10 10:27

Thanks for looking at that Kite, my OH thought it looked like De Vere, couldn't get that first name! The spelling of Coralie is odd, I feel she is must be an educated person to write with such a hand, (That's probably the French education system for you!) So not being consistent with the spelling of her own name seems strange! And then the progression to using a double barrelled name to incorporate her OHs. If only we could get into their minds!

Just had another look at this, I had assumed both signatures were the same person, but the "Adrienne" bit would indicate otherwise, there is another daughter Ellen Adrienne, perhaps it is her that is witness, but she is only 13ish so unlikely.

I think there is a lot more to this family than meets the eye

kiterunner 18-09-10 16:52

The word Versigny is written identically in the two witness signatures, so I'm sure they must be written by the same person.

Sue at the seaside 18-09-10 22:56

I agree with you Kite, I've printed the signatures to check. I think there is more to this woman than meets the eye! why on earth does an "educated" woman, change her name at the drop of a hat! I can understand verbal records being corrupted, but to change your name on your children's marriage records seems very odd!

HarrysMum 19-09-10 00:22

OK.................this bird has to be related to the Ariels.......lol. Tries to confuse everyone...lol

I put a search in the 1861 census for Coralie born France. I got one hit. She is Coralie OWEN wife of George OWEN.

So I look for the marriage to see Coralie's maiden name......
FreeBMD has a marriage of George OWEN and Coralie Euphrosyne V MONTGOMERY in 1869???? So maybe not actually married in 1861.....lol

Also on the same page (but at a different area...lol) is a Wilhelmina Jaroha RUVSSENAERS.

Don't think they fit with yours.....but thought I'd add them for a laugh......(I'm gaining a very sick sense of humour).

Merry 19-09-10 13:24

Do you have the birth certs of any of her children? I'm just wondering what variation was given there?!

Merry 19-09-10 13:32

Name: James Logsdon
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Year of Registration: 1884
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 63
District: St George in The East
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 273

Is this James? Seems a little too old....... I guess you can't find either of them in 1881? Have you found an alternative person who may belong to this death reg?

Langley Vale Sue 19-09-10 16:13

It's strange because there is a public tree on Ancestry which has a
Wilhelmina C. Logsdon b 23 April 1913 in Indiana with a father James P Logsdon (1884-1971), mother Cora Francis Mattingly. I know the dates (and place ;) )are wrong, but any connection?

http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/404...on/-1658239852


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