John Murton 4 X Grandfather
 

Name - "official" name and what they were known as
John Murton

Date and place of birth
Abt 1791 Norfolk

Names of parents
????

Date and place of baptism - if applicable
Diss Norfolk ??

Details of each of his or her marriages - if any
Frances Allen ??? date not found

Occupation(s) - if any
??? would imagine ag lab

Addresses where they lived (including county if in UK) - and please list which censuses you have or haven't found him/her on (if s/he lived in census times!)
????

Date, place and cause of death
Think 17 June 1863 but this could be his son John just don’t know

Date and place of burial.
Diss Norfolk

Details of will / administration of their estate - if applicable
Memorial inscription - if any
???

Have found this burial on freereg but not sure if its him or his son ???,,arghhhhhhhhhh

Burial St Marys Diss Norfolk
Death from freereg ;;
County Norfolk
Place Diss
Church St Mary
Register Number46
Burial Date 17June1863
Forename John
Relationship Rel1Male
Forename Rel1Female
Forename Rel1Surname
Surname MURTON
Age81
Abode Diss Norfolk
Notes File Number 16492

Can't you tell by the age and probable year of birth, Babs?

I have his sons birth as 1794 but you know what its like that far back ;;

County Norfolk

Place Banham

Church St Mary At

RegisterNumber

DateOfBirth 21 Nov 1794

BaptismDate 24 Nov 1794

Forename John

Sex M

FatherForename John

MotherForename Frances

FatherSurname MURTON

MotherSurname ALLEN

Abode

FatherOccupation

Notes Privately Baptised. Late ALLEN Spinster.

FileNumber 5831

The Name Allen spring up few times withing the family trees so know its right one ,,
but was he older when baptised , as going by that burial it should be 1786

I don't think you did a TO3G for John Murton jr, Babs, so I'm working backwards from your TO2G about Stephen Murton (the grandson of the John of this thread), may take a little while.

This is Stephen on the 1841 census at The Heywood, Diss, Norfolk:
John Murton 50 Ag Lab Y
Ann Do 50 Y
Stephen Do 20 Y
David Do 15 Y
Fisher Do 14 Y
Robert Do 8 Y
William Do 8 Y
Mary Do 1 Y.

You have Stephen's baptism with his parents as John and Ann, so it looks as though he is with his parents in 1841. So John jr was born about 1786-1791. I'll have a look for him on the 1851 and 1861 to (hopefully) get a more accurate place and year of birth for him but I'm guessing that burial you found is John jr. Presumably if you have the names of John jr's parents, though, you have his baptism already? (Edit - I see you have!)

Okay, this is John jr (Stephen's father) in 1851, at Mount Street, Diss:
John Murton Head Mar 63 Ag Lab Shelfanger Norfolk
Ann Do Wife Mar 62 Kelverton Do.

And in 1861 at Walcot Green, Diss:
William Murton Head Un 25 Agricultural Labourer Shelfanger Norfolk
John Do Father Widower 77 Do ____ Suffolk

So it looks as though the burial in 1863 will be for John jr. I think we need to find John jr's marriage to Ann next unless you already have it?

Oh I love you Kate and to think I have that census and never say that John seniour was on there ;;

No, it's John jr on the census!

I cannot find how where I have that census in my tree Im getting very mixed up with myself here due to daughter and fella using lappy in background ,,
I know I have that census as you Kate found it for me for one of my lot but cannot for some reason find the William your refering to ;;