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kiterunner 16-06-18 19:09

Isn't Joseph supposed to be born about 1833-4?

kiterunner 16-06-18 19:17

This looks to be his family in 1841:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...=successSource

Brushey Lane, Rainford, Prescot, Lancashire
John Whalley 40 Labourer Y
Mary Do 40 Y
Ellen Do 10 Y
Joseph Do 5 Y
Mary Do 4 Y

Merry 16-06-18 19:17

If you check the GRO indexes for the children of Joseph and Mary Whalley, her maiden name is given as Peet, not Pink.

In 1851 there is a Mary Peet dau of George Peet b Orrell about 1838, so her details do match those of Mary Whalley, but not the marriage Allan found.

Having said that, I can't see a marriage between Mary Peet and Joseph Whalley, so perhaps she is a red herring?

kiterunner 16-06-18 19:22

This looks to be Joseph's baptism on ancestry:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...=successSource

Rainford Bishop's Transcripts:
Born 28 Apr 1833, baptised 26 May 1833, Joseph, son of John and Mary Whalley of Rainford, father's occupation husbandman.

kiterunner 16-06-18 19:25

Mary Pink seems to have been illegitimate as there are no father's details for her on her marriage to Joseph, so maybe one of her parents was a Peet and one a Pink?

Merry 16-06-18 19:27

Yes, could be. The Pink marriage fits in all other ways...…..

Qwackers 17-06-18 13:14

Thanks that s great , I think I know the lane in Rainford . That ticks the box , it's a strange thing regarding Mary pink , I thought it said he was a widower , on the online parish clerk . Could he have been married before and his first wife died ? And then he married Mary pink . It's a thought .

Merry 17-06-18 13:19

Quote:

Could he have been married before and his first wife died ? And then he married Mary pink . It's a thought .
Sorry, we probably just assumed you would realise that without it being spelled out! I think there was an older child on the first census Mary appeared on, so you could check the GRO index for the mother's maiden name and then see if you can find the first marriage for Joseph.

EDIT

Here on 1861;

Billinge
Joseph Whalley, married, head, 27, labourer at the colliery, born Rainford
Mary Whalley, married, wife, 23, born Orrell
Ellen Whalley, unmarried, daughter, 7, scholar, born Orrell <<<<<<<<

kiterunner 17-06-18 14:55

I think this is his first marriage:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...nSearchResults

I thought I recognised the bride's name and that we had looked at it before, but maybe not?
12 Nov 1855 Wigan All Saints, Joseph Whalley 22 bachelor labourer, residence Upholland, father John Whalley labourer, and Nancy Bibby 26 spinster, residence Upholland, father William Bibby nail maker.

Then there is a Nancy Whalley death Jan-Mar 1857 Pemberton sub-district, age 29.

Merry 17-06-18 15:07

I'm wondering if seven-year-old Ellen was actually aged one as she is 11 on the next census and there's a birth reg for her, mmn Peet.


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